Has anyone here sold a "ghost" AR15?
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I don't think ATF has the resources or even desire to track down the people selling one too many converted lowers, but that's not to say it could never happen.
I know this is really far-fetched and nothing like this has ever happened before, but let's say, hypothetically speaking, a person decided to convert and sell enough 80% lowers that they may be considered to be on the edge of the law. Then let's say someone who purchased one of the said converted receivers used it for something illegal, again, purely hypothetical, but let's say it was something crazy like shooting up a concert in Vegas or something. In that purely hypothetical situation, I think ATF might be able to put enough pieces together to make your life a living hell for a decent amount of time even without any recorded transfers.
I know this is really far-fetched and nothing like this has ever happened before, but let's say, hypothetically speaking, a person decided to convert and sell enough 80% lowers that they may be considered to be on the edge of the law. Then let's say someone who purchased one of the said converted receivers used it for something illegal, again, purely hypothetical, but let's say it was something crazy like shooting up a concert in Vegas or something. In that purely hypothetical situation, I think ATF might be able to put enough pieces together to make your life a living hell for a decent amount of time even without any recorded transfers.
The 80% lower has always been on the fringe, Ok to build for your self but much more legally mercy selling homemade guns to others. I think the situation TheAccountant listed should be considered. Once sold it is out of your control of what happens with it, and if used for something bad you can guarantee there will be people knocking on your door with questions and those people may be looking for anyone they can come up with to pin some blame on. Douglas Haig
Remove all uncertainty by keeping the receiver and selling everything else as a build kit. Let the buyer source a new receiver, you will obviously be taking a hit on the price.
Remove all uncertainty by keeping the receiver and selling everything else as a build kit. Let the buyer source a new receiver, you will obviously be taking a hit on the price.
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Brlux said:
How is that any different than selling any gun? Once you sell it, it isn't yours and you can't control what happens to it. And most other guns have a unique number that corresponds to a government form with your name and info on it.
What I was saying was related to the off-topic conversation that has consumed most of this thread and don't think the ATF would blink an eye at the OPs transaction. I agree that selling a single converted 80% lower is no different than selling any other firearm. I also don't think they are any more untraceable than any other firearm that wasn't purchased directly from an FFL.
Actually they do. I just retired as a government IT specialist in the intel community. All those photos are archived and, should they need more information or evidence they can call them back up. So, saying you lost whatever gun you had in a boating accident ain't gonna cut it. That excuse only works for Deep Staters and cell phones.
as gun owners, we're all doomed... they got us in so many ways, especially credit card purchases, video surveillance, range check-in/out and posting on these boards (IP source addresses)... a pic just add optics to the paperwork.
Regarding the "tin foil Hat" wearers concern of government monitoring:
"In early 2020, the FBI learned through social media that a group was discussing a violent overthrow of certain government and law enforcement components, according to the criminal complaint obtained by Fox News."
This is from: https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-gretchen-whitmer-plot-abduct-kill-assassinate
Yes, they have people who do nothing but monitor sites like this. Social media is not just FaceBook and Twitter. Additionally, the SPLC is notorious for monitoring these type sites, infiltrating and even instigating plots like the one referenced above. They will take and twist whatever is written here to match their narrative of antigovernmental extremism. So, be careful what you post.
Regarding the sale of multiple 80% completed firearms, I would ask the ATF and get something in writing, such as a reply from an email. Of course, like the IRS, that doesn't mean it will stand up in court against an aggressive prosecutor.
"In early 2020, the FBI learned through social media that a group was discussing a violent overthrow of certain government and law enforcement components, according to the criminal complaint obtained by Fox News."
This is from: https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-gretchen-whitmer-plot-abduct-kill-assassinate
Yes, they have people who do nothing but monitor sites like this. Social media is not just FaceBook and Twitter. Additionally, the SPLC is notorious for monitoring these type sites, infiltrating and even instigating plots like the one referenced above. They will take and twist whatever is written here to match their narrative of antigovernmental extremism. So, be careful what you post.
Regarding the sale of multiple 80% completed firearms, I would ask the ATF and get something in writing, such as a reply from an email. Of course, like the IRS, that doesn't mean it will stand up in court against an aggressive prosecutor.
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