Has anyone here sold a "ghost" AR15?

[brian10x]

Some of you may recognize my posts in the classified section. I'm up to "Retirement Sale" #52 soon.

Years ago, I built a bunch :?: of router based AR15s. It was fun, and I experimented with different colors and stuff, like they say....a Barbie doll for men.

But I'm getting near retirement, and got some pesky medical bills.

I think I may sell one. Should be legal, as I never built them to sell, but to enjoy.

Have any of you sold one, and what precautions did you take, and what price did you ask? The one I'm selling is just a PSA upper with some kinda special bolt (Its silver!!) and I think a James Madison trigger. And a Sightmark reflex sight. Shot it today, and it checks out fine.


Brian in Tucson

 

[curt1950]

I know some that did, they separated the upper and lower, pulled the stock and handgrip and sold them as parts. Of course once sold they could go somewhere and help assemble their parts. this isn't kommiefornia and is probably different here but its an option.

 

[brian10x]

Thanks. If I do decide to sell, I need all the advice I can get.

"IF" . There's a whole lot of heart and soul in there. Very hard to sell. But, then, I have more.

Like if I had any kids, I guess. If I had :?: number of kids, and had to raise money, I guess I'd sell the one who looks like the mailman.

 

[Harrier]

I know a guy that said he sold a"ghost" gun (AK & AR i don't know which). Don't know what it sold for but knowing him, it was likely current market for a typical mid-level example.

 

[brian10x]

Thanks for the advice. I was thinking about requiring an AZ CCW, to maybe keep from selling to lowlifes. Not a guarantee, but maybe a step in the right direction.

 

[Flash]

Showing an Az CCW is okay, anything beyond that isn't for me.

 

[jls in az]

If you sell a firearm you personally made from an 80% receiver, you have just entered it into commerce and it needs a serial number and you need a FEDERAL manufacturer's license. State laws have nothing to do with it. It's not worth spending 10 years in prison for each count. If you sell the completed receiver, the same laws apply. The only way around it is to have someone with a manufacturer's license put a serial number on it so it can be lawfully entered into commerce.

 

[tdog90yj]

If you sell a firearm you personally made from an 80% receiver, you have just entered it into commerce and it needs a serial number and you need a FEDERAL manufacturer's license. State laws have nothing to do with it. It's not worth spending 10 years in prison for each count. If you sell the completed receiver, the same laws apply. The only way around it is to have someone with a manufacturer's license put a serial number on it so it can be lawfully entered into commerce.

False
This is a long handed down wives tale.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/can-i-sell-or-give-my-homemade-gun-another-person.htm

 

[brian10x]

Thanks for the backup. As an owner of 2 suppressors and an SBR, I try hard to keep up with 2A law.

 

[brian10x]

Fortunately, I've electro-etched numbers inside the magwell in case of theft.

 

[brian10x]

As far as I can tell, the ATF RECOMMENDS serializing a completed 80% rifle if you later decide to sell it.

From 80%lowerjig.com:

Do I need to serialize my lower if I sell it?
Short answer: No.

Long answer: You should.

When asked, "I want to sell my completed 80 percent lower, do I need to serialize it when I sell it or transfer it?" the ATF had this to say:

"Firearm markings are only required by those who are licensed importers, license manufacturers, and those who make an NFA firearm for personal use. Those markings would be made the time of import, manufacture, or when an NFA firearm was made. Under Federal law, no markings would be required in your circumstance."

The NFA legalese doesn't apply if you're building a regular AR-15 rifle or pistol. This only applies if you've built and want to sell an SBR or other NFA item.

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't serialize your lower anyway. Once you sell it, you'll no longer have any control over that firearm. The buyer might sell it. It's unlikely, but it could get stolen. You want to make sure your hands are clean of that weapon once you no longer possess it. The safest way to do that is to serialize it and have the sale recorded with an FFL transfer, not just a private purchase.

https://www.80lowerjig.com/80-lower-blog/80-percent-lower-laws-reviewed-state-federal-2020/

 

[MarkItZero]

It appears you can privately sell it with no markings.

Now what if you wanted a store to consign it for you? Would it need a marking then? But what good would just a serial number without a manufacturer be for ATF documents?

 

[YNOTAZ]

It appears you can privately sell it with no markings.

Now what if you wanted a store to consign it for you? Would it need a marking then? But what good would just a serial number without a manufacturer be for ATF documents?

I am not sure you need a special "manufacturer". I am the "manufacturer" of several SBSs and SBRs according to my approved Form 1s from the BATFE.

A dealer selling it and entering it in their book will require a manufacturer and the manufacturer has to be engraved on the firearm, so if you follow that, according to the rules you are good.

 

[brian10x]

Never mind! I found the perfect solution!

 

[jls in az]

If you transfer several, expect the ATF to show up on your door. Best to ask them up front. "But I saw it was legal online" doesn't carry much weight in a federal court. Kinda like the guy who was busted for selling ammo to the shooter in Vegas.

 

[TheAccountant]

You could cut out the (often erroneous) third-party interpretations and go direct to the ATF site:

https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/receiver-blanks

 

[brian10x]

Too late. I couldn't stand the pressure. May Eugene Stoner forgive me.

 

[knockonit]

seems to me one would have found out the expectations of building/using one prior to commencement of project. they say ignorance of law is no excuse, you could always claim to be a democrat as that rule does not apply to them. :lol:
Rj

 

[deanq]

"My brothers cuzininlaw's sister knew a guy". If you don't know the answer, then don't make $hit up.

It's a firearm. (period) No different than any other firearm (in AZ at least). No more special requirements than selling any other firearm. If it has a serial number, fine. If it doesn't have a serial number, fine. plenty of firearms don't have serial numbers. Required serial numbers are a post 1968 thing.

 

[curtmini14]

^^^^^^^^^^^ truth.