For the second time in my life.....

[Hunter]

I'm having my morning coffee and watching on the news as America flees another embassy. 20 years of blood, sweat and treasure down the drain. I'm also reminded of the $hit storm I started on the old A.S. board close to 20 years ago when I told members we would leave the Middle East the same way we left Saigon.

The reason is simple, almost bumper sticker logic, written down thousands of years ago. "To concur is easy, control is not" Why don't historys graveyard of empire's learn this lesson?

I wonder, if we ever invent a time machine, did masses of people try and follow the Roman army out of the frontiers as they were recalled back to Italy in the 3rd century? Rome didn't fall to a first rate military power, it fell to Germanic barbarians having wasted it legions on control elsewhere.

They say history repeats. Maybe not exactly, but it sure as hell rhymes!

 

[SupportTheSecond]

Friend of mine was wounded in Afghanistan, he's definitely got an opinion on our government and how they hamstrung the people on the ground from succeeding in the conflict.

 

[Doc]

It’s my first time. Not looking forward to 2041

 

[Half Cocked]

Friend of mine was wounded in Afghanistan, he's definitely got an opinion on our government and how they hamstrung the people on the ground from succeeding in the conflict.

The cold hard fact is that if you want to win a war, sometimes you have to be the cruelest, meanest, badass SOB on the battlefield. We were the nice guys, the Taliban was not. The Afghans feared the Taliban and would listen to them and do as they say. Afghans supported the Taliban because if they didn't they were dead. On the other hand, the Afghans could blow us off without any fear of repercussions.

The Rules of Engagement (ROE) that our military was forced to operate under tied their hands and made it difficult if not impossible to effectively fight the insurgents. If you are going to fight a war you have to remember the first rule of warfare: There Are No Rules.

 

[Manitu]

Talking with my friend who is alive after IUD went off just a little early his leg was broken, bomb was first wave of that attack. So he has bona fides in country and takes the attitude not one more american life for those cowards. Last name not biden.

 

[xerts1191]

Hiroshima treatment

 

[Longhair1957]

Friend of mine was wounded in Afghanistan, he's definitely got an opinion on our government and how they hamstrung the people on the ground from succeeding in the conflict.

The cold hard fact is that if you want to win a war, sometimes you have to be the cruelest, meanest, badass SOB on the battlefield. We were the nice guys, the Taliban was not. The Afghans feared the Taliban and would listen to them and do as they say. Afghans supported the Taliban because if they didn't they were dead. On the other hand, the Afghans could blow us off without any fear of repercussions.

The Rules of Engagement (ROE) that our military was forced to operate under tied their hands and made it difficult if not impossible to effectively fight the insurgents. If you are going to fight a war you have to remember the first rule of warfare: There Are No Rules.

That right there is the only way to win. And when we’re done we should take all our toys and go home quit leaving them there for the others to have.

 

[OH-MAN]

I'm having my morning coffee and watching on the news as America flees another embassy. 20 years of blood, sweat and treasure down the drain. I'm also reminded of the $hit storm I started on the old A.S. board close to 20 years ago when I told members we would leave the Middle East the same way we left Saigon.

The reason is simple, almost bumper sticker logic, written down thousands of years ago. "To concur is easy, control is not" Why don't historys graveyard of empire's learn this lesson?

I wonder, if we ever invent a time machine, did masses of people try and follow the Roman army out of the frontiers as they were recalled back to Italy in the 3rd century? Rome didn't fall to a first rate military power, it fell to Germanic barbarians having wasted it legions on control elsewhere.

They say history repeats. Maybe not exactly, but it sure as hell rhymes!

I have to agree. We just repeat the same thing over again.
So sad for what we do to our soldiers for what?

 

[thom]

I wonder how many American politicians lost their lives over there. We lost too many soldiers to ever win that war.

 

[Manitu]

Go ask the Kurds or the Montagards now the translators, we spend billions, die, abandon, and move on, they knew that at least about the kurds maybe the central highlands helpers in Vietnam war. This is not news it is a pattern.

 

[NBC_LT]

The architects of the Doha Accord diplomatic disaster should be placed on the "No Pen List".
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf