Engraving ambiguity for Form1

[Gunslinger55]

Are these super fast approvals personal or trust? I know no one myself included that’s getting and fast approvals. After getting the “one day” bs I spent a shit ton to try it out. Form one 4 suppressors. 4 months later nothing. Not sure why I hear all these different stories and I’m even a LEO and have multiple stamps already. Buddies at 6 months. I fell for it

 

[DannoXYZ]

Did you file as individual/personal or trust?

 

[QuietM4]

My last eForm 1’s (trust) were very fast. 22 days back in November and more recently 6 days in June.

The “new” system didn’t start until March, so form 4’s started prior to March may not be quick.

I know multiple people who have gotten Form 4 approvals in less than 48 hours.

 

[Gunslinger55]

Trust. I know no one who got them that fast and all after March. Silencerco eform. Won’t fall for that again

 

[QuietM4]

Trust. I know no one who got them that fast and all after March. Silencerco eform. Won’t fall for that again

Do you mean Silencer Shop? I've used them for both the eForm 1's that came back in a few weeks or days.

Every single person I know with a TS/SCI clearance at some point is not getting forms back quickly; their names are flagged permanently in the NICS system, and the background check must be done by hand, the slow way.

 

[YNOTAZ]

Ha Ha Ha.

To me ATF is still proving they're a bunch of A-Holes, that do what they want.

As grantor, I transferred 4 "pistols" with arm braces into my trust prior to the deadline of 1/1/2022 with a notarized BOS type transfer document. I submitted them on 5/30/2023 for 4 free form1s with a copy of the trust used many times previously and the transfer document. That's over a year ago.

Just checked today, they are still sitting in "submitted" status for over 1 year, but the ATF rules says all I need is the submitted form as my "approved" form 1. They committed to a tax-free form 1 for pistols with braces if registered as SBRs prior to 6/1/2023. Soooooo, Phuck em, I have 43 freebies.

Oh yeah, their rule says no engraving on these is required. NICE...... Phuck em even more

 

[Gunslinger55]

Yeah I mean silencer shop. You mean vetted people that have been in the system decades are on the slow train? That’s total BS. I’d have to agree with the above post on that one…….

Trust. I know no one who got them that fast and all after March. Silencerco eform. Won’t fall for that again

Do you mean Silencer Shop? I've used them for both the eForm 1's that came back in a few weeks or days.

Every single person I know with a TS/SCI clearance at some point is not getting forms back quickly; their names are flagged permanently in the NICS system, and the background check must be done by hand, the slow way.

 

[Abbey]

My clearance is no longer active (switched jobs), but it's still "in the system" and my recent eForm 1's have come back in 7-10 days. eForm 4's have been coming back as quickly as 2 days, but usually 1 week. Paper forms, on the other hand, are still dragging.

 

[Gunslinger55]

I’ve heard of these special people getting approved Ed that fast but I know of no one personally. 4-5 months here

 

[rick lee]

Can we please revive this one? I snagged a SIG P556 a few weeks ago and the folding stock lower on my 556 SWAT Patrol made it a perfect candidate for an SBR. My stamp came back in five days. But I think I need to get it engraved now. Thing is, with these SIGs, the upper is the serialized part. There are no markings on the lowers. Which part do I need to have engraved, and how inconspicuous can it be and still be compliant? I'd really like to not have my trust name very conspicuous, though this is a lifetime keeper gun for me.

 

[rick lee]

Can we please revive this one? I snagged a SIG P556 a few weeks ago and the folding stock lower on my 556 SWAT Patrol made it a perfect candidate for an SBR. My stamp came back in five days. But I think I need to get it engraved now. Thing is, with these SIGs, the upper is the serialized part. There are no markings on the lowers. Which part do I need to have engraved, and how inconspicuous can it be and still be compliant? I'd really like to not have my trust name very conspicuous, though this is a lifetime keeper gun for me.

 

[QuietM4]

Yes, you need to engrave it. Yes, the "upper" is the firearm, and any engravings will need be on the upper. Likely best spot would be directly above the factory serial number location. Conspicuous means readily visible, so it can't be hidden. I would actually try and see if you can find a laser engraver can match the font of the serial number, and put the trust name on the left, and the city, state on the right of it. Or smaller two lines with trust name on top of the city, state on the left or right of the serial number.

Engraving must be at least .003" in depth and 1/16" tall, regardless of placement location. Text must be visible without disassembly.

 

[any4xx]

I’d expect that whatever part was serialized initially would be what would need to be engraved. I’d consult with a Class III dealer to be sure though. Here in TUS I found a couple of shops that do firearm engraving and they knew the rules regarding font size, etc. I just deferred to them when I did my SBR.

 

[rick lee]

Got it done today. Go see Tim at Acoating or Alternative Coatings. Immediate service. Now I can go shoot this thing tomorrow.