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Jack Dupp said:
No, it wouldn’t. Find a good spot, and then KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.
I am speaking of general areas genius, like blm, national forest, indian reservations, etc.

So if scouting out areas to shoot, have some idea if the general area is good and where is not good regardless of what you find.
 
QuangTri said:
Jack Dupp said:
No, it wouldn’t. Find a good spot, and then KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.
I am speaking of general areas genius, like blm, national forest, indian reservations, etc.

So if scouting out areas to shoot, have some idea if the general area is good and where is not good regardless of what you find.

We have that...they are called 'maps'. Easily found online with a simple Google search.

http://gis.azland.gov/webapps/parcel/
 
BLM is closing land to shooting as fast as they can. Forest service will follow suit. Find what you can, use it before you lose it.
 
QuangTri said:
QuietM4 said:
We have that...they are called 'maps'. Easily found online with a simple Google search.
That is great sport, very pretty.

Without lat-lon how do you know when you have crossed a boundary?

You're an adult. Figure it out.
 
QuangTri said:
A decent map has the info for navigation. That thing you posted is for infotainment, not navigation.

Had you pegged a long time ago, glad to see I was right.

Would you like me to teach you about land nav using crayons? It’s not difficult. It’s 2024, and you have free access Google, Google Maps, and Google Earth. Every smart phone has GPS coordinates easily attained via myriad of apps, or a stand alone GPs device. If you are unable to figure out how to find a good, safe, easily accessible shooting location in the desert, I’m not going to hold your hand. BLM restrictions are easily accessed, as are National Forest Service restrictions. This isn’t rocket surgery.
 
Check out ONX offroad app for finding locations. Its more geared for OHV trails and such but it does a good job at calling out land access and you can see what trails can get you there.
 
The Arizona State Land Department has an interactive land viewer here:

https://land.az.gov/maps-gis

Under the layers option you can turn on "land ownership". That will tell you who owns what areas so you can check that agency web site for fire and shooting restrictions. Most NF and the BLM close their lands to shooting / fires at the beginning of the summer and rescind the restriction at some point at the end of the summer which can still go pretty late in the year.

As an example, Tonto NF to the east and north of Phoenix has a lot of land people would classify as desert. If you Google "Tonto National Forest fire restrictions" you get to this page: https://www.fs.usda.gov/alerts/tonto/alerts-notices.
Select "Tonto NF Fire Info" on the right side of the page. That takes you to this page:
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/tonto/home/?cid=STELPRDB5269295

Which says "Stage 1 Fire Restrictions are in effect on the Tonto National Forest."
Scroll down to see what Stage 1 means:
#3 is "Discharging a firearm, air rifle, or gas gun. 36 C.F.R. § 261.58(m)."

Other NF in Arizona have their own web pages with similar information.

You can always call the district office of the specific NF although they may or may not provide accurate information.

There are NF restrictions on the types of targets you can use.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/alerts/tonto/alerts-notices/?aid=88727

Here's the BLM page on shooting. Some good advice here about backstops, etc.
https://www.blm.gov/programs/recreation/arizona/recreational-shooting
Here's the BLM page with fire restrictions.
https://www.blm.gov/programs/public-safety-and-fire/fire/regional-info/arizona/fire-restrictions.

BLM and NF are the two main types of public land available for target shooting. National Monuments can have some available areas but the BLM is restricting those. National Parks say no. Indian Reservations are a big no. Military land, no. State Parks, no. State Trust Land, no target shooting, yes to hunting. Private land is, well, private. Municipal land, no.

Note that ranchers may have grazing rights on BLM, NF and State Trust Land and may have their own ideas about whether shooting is allowed. The rules of the agency should supersede what the rancher thinks but if it's you and them out in the desert you may want to take it elsewhere.

Firearms in National Parks.
https://www.nps.gov/articles/firearms-in-national-parks.htm


Using Google Maps satellite view, the ASDL land ownership viewer and the agency pages, identify an area to research. The further from a major metro area the higher likelihood of success.

Plan on taking a recon trip(or trips) to evaluate spots because some may be posted no-shooting but not indicated as such on an agency web site. The BLM does this.

Be aware that Arizona has laws about unlawful discharge of weapons, in particular the ones about shooting within municipal limits and distance to an occupied structure, which apply in addition to whatever rules the land agencies have.
https://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/03107.htm

If you do find a good spot, tell no one. Don't shoot plants, animals, structures, power poles, petroglyphs, windmills, irrigation equipment, lights, signs or anything else you didn't bring. Clean up after yourself.
 
Suck My Glock said:
I'm guessing he is from elsewhere.

SOME of the forests close due to fire restrictions, but that never really encompasses the deserts because they typically are not part of any of the protected forests. There is usually less foliage that can burn. Even though the grass and bushes may be dry, it simply is not as easy to set the desert on fire accidentally as it is the forested lands. (Not impossible. Don't take that as a challenge. Just not as easy.)

Oh look, more of that desert that doesn’t catch on fire easily is on fire.
 
I haven't been out to Table Mesa in over a year. Anyone been there recently? Is it still open or are people being harassed? Got some buddies I want to meet up with and Table Mesa is centrally located for all of us. Would hate to go out there (Tuesday) to just get run off.
 
I would take a ride up there and look. BLM posted no shooting on several thousand acres long before they opened the three ranges around lake pleasant. They plan ranges at Table Mesa also.

I really don't care if you ignore those A-Holes but 1 of their 2 officers might be assigned to harass shooters.

Just another free service of the Bidet/Kamel administration.
 
YNOTAZ said:
I would take a ride up there and look. BLM posted no shooting on several thousand acres long before they opened the three ranges around lake pleasant. They plan ranges at Table Mesa also.

I really don't care if you ignore those A-Holes but 1 of their 2 officers might be assigned to harass shooters.

Just another free service of the Bidet/Kamel administration.

Yeah, I'm thinking a recon trip is in order. Maybe make a day out of it checking out some other places as well, now that the weather has broken. Just have a lazy day cruising around in the Blazer.
 
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