Description matched, lets kill him

[Tenring]

Why was it so important to make it known that it was a white officer on a black man's neck? It's already obvious to anyone with a brain that isn't a vegetable. Why couldn't it have been a police officer on a suspect's neck? That was specifically targeted reporting designed to infuriate both the racists and the SJW's.

Agreed - typical liberal bs.

 

[338lapua]

You seem to think multitudes of other cops are rushing to defend bad apples. Can you show me this?

The other 3 that were fired could have at any time said get off his neck. If that HAD happened the looting would not be happening nor the riots. It's as simple as that. Not stopping excessive force as it is happening is the same as defending them.

 

[smithers599]

You seem to think multitudes of other cops are rushing to defend bad apples. Can you show me this?

The other 3 that were fired could have at any time said get off his neck. If that HAD happened the looting would not be happening nor the riots. It's as simple as that. Not stopping excessive force as it is happening is the same as defending them.

They also lied in their reports. Covering for their pal.
See also the many false reports in the Chicago shooting of the kid 16 times while he was on the ground. "He lunged at us!"

 

[Lobo2087]

I didnt say any of them in this incident were right.

You guys made the statements saying other cops cover for the bad ones. I simply said show me where the majority covers for the bad. You cant. We generally weed out the bad before they get far. Unfortunately some make it through and some screw up but you wont find many covering it up for them.

 

[Maestro]

Taking the video on face value, I would think that after he was subdued to that point they could have secured him in the cruiser. I also think that the immediate firing of all 4 officers suggests that their supervisors (at least) agree. It COULD be a knee jerk reaction from the department to CYA, but that was really fast action if that is the case.

I obviously don't know the whole story, and I will certainly not disagree with Lobo that subduing someone may take extreme measures. But it LOOKS a lot like the subduing was already done, and the knee stayed on the neck beyond anything that makes sense.

 

[Lobo2087]

I dont think anyone will argue that point beyond those involved and their attorneys

 

[338lapua]

I didnt say any of them in this incident were right.

You guys made the statements saying other cops cover for the bad ones. I simply said show me where the majority covers for the bad. You cant. We generally weed out the bad before they get far. Unfortunately some make it through and some screw up but you wont find many covering it up for them.

There are some that cover, not saying you are one of them but there are cases where they lie to protect the other guy. These are the ones that concern me. The other ones that do not stand up against the bad ones concern me just as much. If a cop screws up nobody should cover his ass. I would be impressed if one of the cops there said get off his neck but none of them did and what is happening is because supposed good men did nothing that day.

Let me ask you this Lobo, what would you have done if you were the guy standing and you heard the guy say I can't breathe and saw the guy with his knee on his neck for however long it was? Would you have said enough and get off his neck and would you have removed him from his neck physically if needed? Or would you stand idly by as he expired. And yes I know people will sometimes lie to try to get the cop off them so they can have another run at them.

 

[redj]

If a citizen would have come along and pulled the cop off the guy and saved his life , you can bet he would have been arrested for assault on a police officer and interfering.
You can also bet he would have been prosecuted.

 

[Lobo2087]

I have never said none shoule not be officers. I am fully aware in all groups of any size there are some who are less than desirable. Even in this profession. I am just having a hard time continuing to sit quietly when many of the discussions some of you post lean towards the majority of us being tyrants or dishonest and that simply is not the case.

Now to try to answer the other part. I have been in similar situations several times over my career.


I have been in fights where I was kicked, bitten to the point of losing skin and bleeding or struck and the guy keeps fighting violently even after being cuffed. I have been there when someone fights us for absolutely no reason and we get hurt restraining them. Many times our restraint is what gets us hurt.

To this point I have been able to use or be the voice of restraint and rarely have I seen one of my partners become so furious as to require someone to step in. There are some people who I legitimately could have fired upon and did not for whatever schmidgen of a feeling that restrained me. I have reminded someone they are in or on a tender spot restraining someone.

Because of my patience and restraint I am now going through multiple spinal surgeries and procedures not only to try to avoid medical retirement and remain on the job but as I said, simply to live in a lesser degree of pain.

I am nothing special, I am a very small representation of the type men and women I work with.

So yes I can look you in the eye and say I believe I would have acted in restraint.

Unfortunately I can also see just how fine a line it is for someone to become enraged and go too far. In the circumstance described in the video and from what little has been said about the events leading up to it I dont know how or why someone would have been so angry for this to happen. If I had only the video to go by, guiltyz however I am from experience aware many things transpire before and after the camera starts and would like to hear everything in entirety before deciding if such force was briefly necessary.

And all that said, I can think of no reason I personally would have pinned someone's neck for that length of time.

Those men in the video are not representative of your peace officers as a whole and while I have no right to demand it I would appreciate if people stopped lumping us into the same pot with bad apples.

You yourselves wish to be judged on your own merits, successes and failures and not those of your particular ethnic, gender, hobby or employment group. We only wish the same.

 

[cool arrow]

You yourselves wish to be judged on your own merits, successes and failures and not those of your particular ethnic, gender, hobby or employment group.

We only wish the same.

This should say enough.

I would not want your job these days. I used to want to be a local cop, but not anymore. You are a dying breed of hero that takes hits from all sides, and I wish it wasn't so.

You have a tough job, dealing with the worst that society has to offer. I don't envy you, but I do admire you.

 

[Lobo2087]

Just read a couple of those guys past histories. Even taking it with a grain of salt knowing how clear media is these days I would have questions about these guys myself.

 

[Maestro]

You yourselves wish to be judged on your own merits, successes and failures and not those of your particular ethnic, gender, hobby or employment group. We only wish the same.

Perfect statement Lobo. When you think about the number of arrests that happen daily, the number that end up going viral for perceived misconduct are minuscule. Sounds kind of like the number of law abiding gun owners vs. the number of criminal asshats that make us all look bad. Don't lump us all together.

Just read a couple of those guys past histories. Even taking it with a grain of salt knowing how clear media is these days I would have questions about these guys myself.

Can I get a link to that?

 

[knockonit]

In any type of service, no one remembers the good experience or if they do, rarely mention it, its the bad JUJU that gets passed around like a good bottle of tequila, as with all things in live, ying and yang, otherwise what the fudge would we rage about
Rj

 

[Crippledtrigger]

Cop haters are cop haters. They throw their rhetoric out till someone challenges them and they use that to justify in their mind all cops are bad and cover for each other with limited if any actual experience.

Police officers have hundreds of millions of instances of contact with the public each year. Out of those you have very few instances like these. You could use a preferred gun owner troupe and say Drs kill more people than police officers but because that doesn't fit the cop hater narrative it will be howled down as a straw man arguement at best. The fact is the minuscule percent of actual bad cops is extremely low, still the fact is they exist. Why dont their actions reflect only upon the actual officer? That's no different than gun owners demand when some incel loses it and kills a bunch of people cause hes butt hurt over jacking off instead of getting a willing date. Isnt it?

Dont let you bias screw up your objectivity and relevance to the conversation. Too late for some I know, as we have had these discussions amongst the group here, i.e. AZ shooting members, for close to 20 years now if not more. Is it too much to ask that each incident get judged on it's own fact and merits?

I know of no law enforcement person not involved in the incident saying anything but this was a crime. Many say murder some say manslaughter, at least. In fact its murder in my opinion and the officers who watched are guilty of felony murder just as any participant in a crime where a murder happened would be. They violated policy and the law and forfeit any good faith immunity they had.

This is probably a federal crime as well and will be prosecuted as such.

It means nothing about all cops. Just that these cops are criminal thugs. Just as these riots mean nothing about all protesters or all city residents.

It's sad the only brush people use to paint these pictures is one that's 3 foot wide and full of bias.

 

[Flash]

And they should be prosecuted under color of law and put in general population.

If you make an example of some of these guys perhaps this sort of thing will stop.

 

[XNARC]

I didn’t see some murderous rage, or some racial hatred either, I saw a lack of human empathy and indifference ... a burned out cop, who may have had to wrestle with this dude, probably acknowledged he was in drug related medical distress of some type, but not in a death spiral, kept him pinned awaiting an ambulance, not wanting to get puked on, he was wrong, that knee on the neck was wrong, but he’s probably done it many times before without the dude ending up dead, the cop either wasn’t afforded proper training, or just didn’t give a shit...the police leadership, the coroner and the mayor already know it was something akin to excited delirium, but they’re trying to throw a case together to appease not only the mob but the nation. It may start out as murder to better posture themselves in front of the camera, but if the state has some version of manslaughter with depraved heart (acts with a depraved indifference to human life) that’s what will go forward.

 

[Crippledtrigger]

I didn’t see some murderous rage, or some racial hatred either, I saw a lack of human empathy and indifference ... a burned out cop, who may have had to wrestle with this dude, probably acknowledged he was in drug related medical distress of some type, but not in a death spiral, kept him pinned awaiting an ambulance, not wanting to get puked on, he was wrong, that knee on the neck was wrong, but he’s probably done it many times before without the dude ending up dead, the cop either wasn’t afforded proper training, or just didn’t give a s***...the police leadership, the coroner and the mayor already know it was something akin to excited delirium, but they’re trying to throw a case together to appease not only the mob but the nation. It may start out as murder to better posture themselves in front of the camera, but if the state has some version of manslaughter with depraved heart (acts with a depraved indifference to human life) that’s what will go forward.

I suggest you look again.

I see the base dehumanization that is the requisite foundation for racism, genocide, and crimes of all kinds against people, murder among those. This is murder. Death during an arrest of a fighting subject, I'll listen. 7 minutes on the neck is not an accident. He wasn't a new cop and all videos refute your assumptions.

IMHO ofcourse.

 

[338lapua]

The kneeler has been arrested, hopefully the other 3 that didn't stop him are arrested too.

 

[knockonit]

The kneeler has been arrested, hopefully the other 3 that didn't stop him are arrested too.

It should go even farther than that, the fella supposedly had quite a few complaints against him, and they allowed him to continue in a job that interacted with citizens, shame on the dept. the union and the other members who were saddled with him, the consequences should go deep and long.
jmo
rj

 

[XNARC]

I didn’t see some murderous rage, or some racial hatred either, I saw a lack of human empathy /. /to excited delirium, but they’re trying to throw a case together to appease not only the mob but the nation. It may start out as murder to better posture themselves in front of the camera, but if the state has some version of manslaughter with depraved heart (acts with a depraved indifference to human life) that’s what will go forward.

I suggest you look again.

I see the base dehumanization that is the requisite foundation for racism, genocide, and crimes of

I’ll pass, as feeling aren’t facts, just a response to facts. At the end of the work day, I just use soap and water, I have no need to bath in the waters of self righteousness