CDC Numbers

[doubletapp]

Been running across this from different sources that the CDC is telling Dr's to add presumed deaths from covid-19 to the toll even when no test was done , if a patient died from pneumonia they presume it's a covid-19 death. I'm not saying this isn't real but what's behind the elevated numbers

 

[Manitu]

EMT in NYC report doing as many as 10 heart attacks per shift. They were never diagnosed with coronavirus but were at home with symptoms, when you can no longer breathe the body tries to breathe real fast to survive the heart often goes. They go down as heart attacks.

 

[AZ_Five56]

Been running across this from different sources that the CDC is telling Dr's to add presumed deaths from covid-19 to the toll even when no test was done , if a patient died from pneumonia they presume it's a covid-19 death. I'm not saying this isn't real but what's behind the elevated numbers

Yes, this is absolutely true. Here's the documentation to prove it. See the last paragraph:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

The numbers could definitely be getting inflated from this, and I know a lot of people are joking about this in social media. I just can't wait until we can test larger samples of the population since that will likely show that rate of death as much lower than is currently reported.

The only bummer will be if they mandate testing and implement a more strict quarantine on individual bases depending on whether you've had it or not. That has been talked about. If that were the case, I would want to get it as soon as possible so I can put it behind me and leave the house instead of waiting around for a vaccine to come out, and I think a lot of others will feel the same.

 

[DMeacham]

I’ll have to see if I can find the link again, but I saw that a person who died in a car accident was deemed a covid-19 death.

Looks like a lot of the stats are very iffy, and a ton of flawed data that is presented as facts. Begs the question, why are they allowing this data to be presented?

 

[Manitu]

Been running across this from different sources that the CDC is telling Dr's to add presumed deaths from covid-19 to the toll even when no test was done , if a patient died from pneumonia they presume it's a covid-19 death. I'm not saying this isn't real but what's behind the elevated numbers

Yes, this is absolutely true. Here's the documentation to prove it. See the last paragraph:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

The numbers could definitely be getting inflated from this, and I know a lot of people are joking about this in social media. I just can't wait until we can test larger samples of the population since that will likely show that rate of death as much lower than is currently reported.

The only bummer will be if they mandate testing and implement a more strict quarantine on individual bases depending on whether you've had it or not. That has been talked about. If that were the case, I would want to get it as soon as possible so I can put it behind me and leave the house instead of waiting around for a vaccine to come out, and I think a lot of others will feel the same.

Some people have had virus parties to catch it and get it over with, not real sharp. Once you had it is not clear if you are immune for a week a day or a lifetime. You might be an unlucky one of the FEW who had really bad outcomes at a much younger age than the target (gonna die for sure group). guess they ran out of tide pods.

 

[AZ_Five56]

Some people have had virus parties to catch it and get it over with, not real sharp. Once you had it is not clear if you are immune for a week a day or a lifetime. You might be an unlucky one of the FEW who had really bad outcomes at a much younger age than the target (gonna die for sure group). guess they ran out of tide pods.

There is so much conflicting data out there, and the only thing we know for sure is that we don't have all the data. It may not be the smartest thing in the world, but I think people are just trying to do what they think is best for their families so they can get on with their lives (whether they're making a good call or not). A lot of families are hurting right now.

 

[Miker12]

Coronaviruses were first discovered in the 1930s as an acute respiratory infection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus

Dr John Ioannidis from Stanford University estimates a death rate between 0.025% and 0.65%. Another study, from Japan, found the death rate to be between 0.04 and 0.12.

These are both, potentially, markedly LOWER than seasonal flu.

In short: No, coronavirus is not “20x deadlier” than the flu. The science suggests it may be anything from very slightly worse, to noticeably better.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/11/coronavirus-fact-check-3-covid19-is-20x-deadlier-than-the-flu/

Look At How Ridiculously Wrong All The COVID-19 Models Were https://www.zerohedge.com/health/look-how-ridiculously-wrong-all-covid-19-models-were

German Infectologist Decimates COVID Doomsday Cult in Open Letter to Merkel https://www.anti-empire.com/german-infectologist-decimates-covid-doomsday-cult-in-open-letter-to-merkel/

Facts about Covid-19 Fully referenced facts about Covid-19, provided by experts in the field, to help you make a realistic risk assessment.

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

 

[H Y P H Y]

Yes, CDC numbers are hella exaggerated. And I don't see how this isn't obvious to people. Someone dies from anything other than a homicide, it's 80% likely to be labeled a CV-19 death. It should have raised a red flag when every day reports came out stating "yesterday, x thousands of people died from CV-19." Did people just happen to forget that autopsies can take weeks to come back? lol. You'd have to be dumbfounded to not see this rubbish.

 

[AZ_Five56]

Yes, CDC numbers are hella exaggerated. And I don't see how this isn't obvious to people. Someone dies from anything other than a homicide, it's 80% likely to be labeled a CV-19 death. It should have raised a red flag when every day reports came out stating "yesterday, x thousands of people died from CV-19." Did people just happen to forget that autopsies can take weeks to come back? lol. You'd have to be dumbfounded to not see this rubbish.

Yeah, it all goes back to the document I linked on the CDC website. They say, "COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is
assumed to have caused or contributed to death."

It gives the medical staff a lot of freedom to round the numbers up with assumptions counting toward the confirmed cases. Not that all of the medical staff is trying to purposely skew the numbers, but I think it's natural for them to attribute more deaths when it's such a huge focus of theirs right now.

Also, I heard a story of some medical staff that witnessed a patient's death which was clearly not attributable to Covid-19, and then they find that the records indicate the patient died of Covid-19 when they arrive back at work the next day. It makes me think some people on the hospital staff are DEFINITELY trying to amp up the numbers. I don't know why. It's not like they would benefit from it. Oh wait... All the hospitals are getting federal aid.

 

[NBC_LT]

Determining and documenting cause of death is no light matter, it is easy to analyze in retrospect for anomalies and can affect the clinical licensing of those (both physician and healthcare center) making the determination. If anything I would support Dr. Fauci's assertion that the reported numbers are too low.
Thankfully the President has focused of all the best people to the task, rest easy - Mr. Kushner and Vice President Pence will net let America down by allowing the CDC provide fake data. This is on their watch!!!

https://arcdigital.media/debunking-coronavirus-trutherism-c290fc660a12

https://www.factcheck.org/a-guide-to-our-coronavirus-coverage/

 

[Doc Holliday]

ANYTHING to keep the scare going and tank the economy, blame it all on Trump.

 

[AZ_Five56]

Determining and documenting cause of death is no light matter, it is easy to analyze in retrospect for anomalies and can affect the clinical licensing of those (both physician and healthcare center) making the determination. If anything I would support Dr. Fauci's assertion that the reported numbers are too low.
Thankfully the President has focused of all the best people to the task, rest easy - Mr. Kushner and Vice President Pence will net let America down by allowing the CDC provide fake data. This is on their watch!!!

https://arcdigital.media/debunking-coronavirus-trutherism-c290fc660a12

https://www.factcheck.org/a-guide-to-our-coronavirus-coverage/

Thanks for posting the link to the pneumonia graphs. I had seen those statistics before, but I was having trouble finding them again. It's interesting to see the decrease in pneumonia deaths at the same time as the uptick in Covid-19 deaths. I'm not saying that I think Covid-19 isn't killing anyone, but I'm wondering what other causes of death may have also decreased at the exact same time as pneumonia and may also be getting falsely attributed.

 

[h8pvmnt]

There is also a rumor that Hospitals are getting a flat $13,000.00 payment from the government if they admit a Covid-19 patient and $39,000.00 payment if they put them on a ventilator. If true that could tie into inflation of cases including deaths. Not sure if this is true but it would not surprise me.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines

 

[Boriqua]

Interesting video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=871&v=LzoOZC9WT1E&feature=emb_logo

 

[AZ_Five56]

Interesting video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=871&v=LzoOZC9WT1E&feature=emb_logo

Thanks for posting that! It's heartbreaking to see our country getting flushed down the toilet, especially when it's clear the numbers are so wrong.

These doctors stepping up to present information like this are some of the biggest heroes in the Covid-19 battle. Remember, they could be putting their career on the line to get us this information.

 

[hairygreek]

Thanks for posting that... sounds like BS as usual.