Can any 5.56mm rifle currently on the market really make a significant improvement on the current crop of AR15

[Steve_In_29]

Steve _In_29......
Save your breath.....

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Yeah I forgot who I was talking with and thought I could get an intelligent response on the topic.

By his logic if your wife puts on a new dress or gets her breasts done she is no longer the same woman you married 30 years ago.

 

[Berd]

I gotta float my stick with some of the comments, its an ar, the pants, and shirt don't mean crap, most of the new stuff is window dressing to catch the buyer who likes the new shiney. oh maybe some credence to a few odds and ends, but in the end, its the barrel, and the ammo. that will rule the day, not the super duper scope, not the butt stock, not the super duper trigger, its the shooter, the barrel and the ammo.
and if the shot placement isn't there, well then a nice club has been found.

Shot placement for the win.

RJ nails it.

 

[Ranger1]

Not really. If you are shooting from the bench and not humping it over land then a barrel and ammo will do it for you. For everyone else it's the function of the rifle that can be made better and it has been. But of course the bolt is still the problem child.

 

[Berd]

You can hump the greatest wonder rifle shooting bullets made of unicorn bone, but if you can't put the rounds where they need to go, all else is naught.

 

[Ranger1]

If you can't shoot then you can't shoot. The question was can is there anything on the market that would be a significant improvement on the current ar15 plsy form. I say yes

 

[Kwisak]

The aug /F90, Ace, x95, and scar are goo options with ups and downs

 

[Tim McBride]

Keep it civil folks.

 

[Steve_In_29]

The Aug /F90, Based on 1960s design, with the bolt face and method of camming seeming to reflect the influence of Stoner's design
Ace based on 1930s (trigger based on M1 Garand)/1940s (AK47 action) designs
x95 based on 1930s/1940s designs (M1 Garand/AK47 long stroke gas piston action)
scar based on 1960s design (repackaged AR18 action)

are good options with ups and downs

Nothing really new underneath the hood.

 

[Ranger1]

Sig550, Bren 805, SCAR16, etc etc
People keep coming up with new 5.56mm guns, most are heavier, most are using pistons. However, do any of them offer a real substantial improvement over the current crop of AR15s?

Then after all these pages we have went through .the answer is no. It was a bad design to start with and it's a bad design to this day. Nothing but crap. I would take a mini 14 over it any day

 

[Steve_In_29]

Sig550, Bren 805, SCAR16, etc etc
People keep coming up with new 5.56mm guns, most are heavier, most are using pistons. However, do any of them offer a real substantial improvement over the current crop of AR15s?

Then after all these pages we have went through .the answer is no. It was a bad design to start with and it's a bad design to this day. Nothing but crap. I would take a mini 14 over it any day

I will probably regret asking but...

How did you draw that conclusion from what has been posted in this thread?

 

[knockonit]

Uh oh, steve is poking the all knowing for a direct answer, this outta be good.
Rj

 

[Ranger1]

It's easy. The OP asked do they really make a significant improvement. By what I was confronted with the barrel is the same so is the ammo. God has spoken . No ,no significant improvement at all.

 

[h8pvmnt]

That KM rifle i a New twist on an old design. Cool but at 1700.00 plus still does not beat the AR in anyway except OAL with a 17" barrel. Id still like one as i always wanted a Bushmaster but that production was from the Ban Era.

 

[Steve_In_29]

That KM rifle i a New twist on an old design. Cool but at 1700.00 plus still does not beat the AR in anyway except OAL with a 17" barrel. Id still like one as i always wanted a Bushmaster but that production was from the Ban Era.

Not saying it's not a nice rifle but what "new twist" did they put on the bullpup design?

The concept of which dates back to at least 1901 by the way.

 

[87jeep]

Chime in .... I will take 3 or 4 standard AR's before paying the money for a "Flash AR" JMHO


Carry on

 

[Steve_In_29]

It's easy. The OP asked do they really make a significant improvement. By what I was confronted with the barrel is the same so is the ammo. God has spoken . No ,no significant improvement at all.

I can see you put a lot of deep thought into coming to that conclusion. Thanks for sharing it.