Brass Annealing

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338lapua said:
I have been involved with commercial loading and reloading for 20 years, I have never annealed any cases that were already formed, never. Just another way for someone to separate shooters from their money. Reforming a case you need to anneal, resize to original size, clean, anneal, resize to new dimensions, trim , clean, anneal. Not really any other need other than anal retentiveness unless reforming.

When we make new brass it is annealed multiple times, every draw is a wash, dry and anneal in a oven, induction annealing is the very last step. Brass is exposed to tons of pressure when we draw it, if you are not making new cases it is not needed.

Firing a case and resizing is not enough "working" of the brass to stress it to the point of needing stress relief. You guys are all being sold a bill of goods.

Our annealing processes are exact every time, the oven is a constant temp and it takes exactly the same time to travel through the oven every time. The induction annealing machine has a variable of +/- 2 degrees. Proper temperature is critical. You guys are really just wasting time and money.

theres a difference between commercial and Precision.

For precision loading yes it can and will make a difference over time. will it pay for the cost of a Giruard, maybe. If anyone needs this service done i can do it. let me know. I run a Giruard Annealing machine
 
[highlight=yellow]"338lapua wrote: ↑July 18th, 2018, 12:32 am
I have been involved with commercial loading and reloading for 20 years, I have never annealed any cases that were already formed, never. Just another way for someone to separate shooters from their money. Reforming a case you need to anneal, resize to original size, clean, anneal, resize to new dimensions, trim , clean, anneal. Not really any other need other than anal retentiveness unless reforming.

When we make new brass it is annealed multiple times, every draw is a wash, dry and anneal in a oven, induction annealing is the very last step. Brass is exposed to tons of pressure when we draw it, if you are not making new cases it is not needed.

Firing a case and resizing is not enough "working" of the brass to stress it to the point of needing stress relief. You guys are all being sold a bill of goods.

Our annealing processes are exact every time, the oven is a constant temp and it takes exactly the same time to travel through the oven every time. The induction annealing machine has a variable of +/- 2 degrees. Proper temperature is critical. You guys are really just wasting time and money."

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I have no actual educated real life facts about annealing,... NONE!

But, what I do have, as facts, is,... I have been reloading the SAME 30-06sprg, 308win, 44mag, 38spl, 223rem, marlin444, 45colt, 45acp, brass cases FOR MANY YEARS without any signs of brittleness/failure,.. other than for less than a dozen Hornady 444 cases that started splitting at the mouth. Which could be caused by a few failures on Hornady's part!

One point I should relay, is, I am not your normal shooter,... mostly, I only shoot a couple hundred, at MAX, of each caliber per year, with 223rem and 45 acp being the exception,... which may have influence on my case longevity.

Sooo, I have to go along with what 338Lapua has posted,... until I learn differently!
 
Do you own a chronograph? Or run out gauge? Or comparator set by chance?

Straight walls won’t need it by the way. If it’s a light load you may not feel the effects of worked brass. Everything I run is hot
 
Yes, I have a chronograph. For bottlenecks, I only run 223rem at max.

I loaded all my 223rem at 3,700 + FPS,... in the past,... but, now, with a 24 inch build, I get a little over 4,000 FPS, from that same 3,700 + FPS loading I got from my 16 inch carbine.

I have 223 rem brass that the base stamps are worn enough from tumbling, that they have lost their sharp edge and some from fifteen years ago, that the stamps are noticeably more shallow.
 
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Re: Brass Annealing
Sent: Yesterday, 6:54 pm
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Is English your first language?

I asked,... "what's with all of YOUR questions?"

If that's too cryptic, let me break it down in more simple terms,... What is the purpose of the questions you asked me,... or, why did you ask those question,... your choice.
 
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Re: Brass Annealing
Sent: Yesterday, 7:29 pm
From: G34
Recipient: shooter444

Cuz I wanted to know. That’s all you need to know
 
Hmmm, I guess some folks trying to come here and drum up business don't like facing reality.


G34 wrote,.. "For precision loading yes it can and will make a difference over time. will it pay for the cost of a Giruard, maybe. If anyone needs this service done i can do it. let me know. I run a Giruard Annealing machine"


Ain't noth'n like a wise ass newbee!!!
 
nope not at all. I make well more money then i know what to do with. Just wanted to be helpful to less fortunate shooters.

new here, far from new to the community. Good day sir
 
Right!!! You're just a good ol'e rich boy, coming here to help everybody out with their annealing problem,... getting all your questions answered politely,.... but telling me " Cuz I wanted to know. That’s all you need to know " when I ask you a question.

Riiight,... I believe you !!!
 
Ya gotta admit, 3700 fps is pretty speedy for 223 pressures in today's normal of 16" to 20" AR's and 55gr or heavier bullets. 2800 for 223 and 3000 to 3200fps for 556, would be the first thing many think of...

My load database has 26 loads that clock at 3700 or faster (all from manuals-not my concoction)... but the barrel length is 24", 12 different powders and bullet weights range from 30gr to 45gr... definitely varmint territory and a reloaders dream, not commonly found in widespread use today.

Getting back to the annealing debate... a couple facts that might help rationalize... brass gets brittle when work hardened. Work hardening occurs during firing and also from various reloading operations (resizing, crimping, that sort of thing). Eventually the hard brass won't flex or stretch and necks will crack.
Annealing is said to release the stresses, soften the brass and make it more malleable and uniform, thus avoiding conditions for cracks and prolonging brass life.

YMMV
 
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