Bill to Remove Marijuana Question from ATF Gun Form

[Suck My Glock]

https://gundynamics.com/articles/lawmaker-drafting-bill-to-remove-marijuana-question-from-atf-gun-form

With marijuana increasingly legal across the country, a Republican lawmaker is looking to take federal gun regulators out of the equation.

Although marijuana is legal for adults in nines states, and as medical cannabis in 30, it remains listed as a highly-addictive and dangerous Schedule I drug with the federal government. It also shares the same designation as ecstasy, heroin, and LSD. This has resulted in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives maintaining a status quo that any sale or possession of firearms by those who use marijuana, even if allowed by state law, remains criminal.

However, one GOP Congressman says the best way around this, for now, could be to just not ask the question. “I’ve drafted, but haven’t yet introduced, a bill to remove the marijuana question from ATF form 4473 — the question that requires anyone who uses marijuana (crime) to lie (crime) in order to purchase a gun (crime) from a gun dealer,” said U.S. Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky., asking on social media if, “Any Democrats who would support such a bill?”

 

[lew]

Good.

I don't smoke, but someone who does should not have to forfeit/endanger their right to self-defense. Whether they partake for medicinal or recreational reasons is none of my concern, nor is it a concern of the state. The usual stipulation about user responsibility always applies, of course.

 

[shooter444]

Why, in this day and age, knowing what we now know,... alcohol isn't considered just as dangerous a drug as pot!!!

Or, on the flip side,... with alcohol purchase/possession being regulated to the degree of allowing simultaneous firearm purchase, I don't see why regulated pot purchase/possession can't fall under the same auspice when dealing with firearm purchases.

I just don't see pot as being any more, or, less dangerous to society, than alcohol.

 

[338lapua]

Why, in this day and age, knowing what we now know,... alcohol isn't considered just as dangerous a drug as pot!!!

Or, on the flip side,... with alcohol purchase/possession being regulated to the degree of allowing simultaneous firearm purchase, I don't see why regulated pot purchase/possession can't fall under the same auspice when dealing with firearm purchases.

I just don't see pot as being any more, or, less dangerous to society, than alcohol.

Of all my friends I know of none of them that have beat their wife up while high on pot. On the other hand I know of at least 10 who have tuned the wife up while drunk. I can't remember the last story I read on a guy smoking a joint and driving his car and killing people on the road, I know of many stories involving alcohol.

I predict soon pot will be 50 states legal as Monsanto has been developing pot for years so they can corner the market. When a major US corporation can corner the market on it they will make it legal.

 

[Manitu]

In Colorado large increase in stoned driving deaths, some people will drive drunk and or stoned, they are irresponsible asshats. So long as USA is a signatory to a treaty prohibiting just this sort of thing we can not legalize on national scale. On the other hand treaty dropout actions are more common now. Canada and Uraguay had a different view. The most troubling trend, Freedman said, is the driving while high.

“I think more than anything we need to combat that perception about driving while high,” he said. “Just because you’re driving slowly on the highway doesn’t mean it’s safe.” https://www.denverpost.com/2018/10/26/colorado-marijuana-impact-report/

 

[shooter444]

Call me naive, but, I don't think pot use has increased all that much with the latest movement towards legalization,... it's just more in the face of society with all the reporting.

Reports of pot use related to crime/accidents is probably at the same percentage as previously experienced incidents.

I am not a huge proponent of government imposed prohibition. It was tried with alcohol and failed miserably! I feel the current Government imposed pot prohibition has failed miserably as well!

It's not going to go away,.... society might as well regulate accessibility and profit from another sin tax,...makes for good state budget bottom line's,... imho!

 

[Sam Spade]

Removing the question is irrelevant. Let me know when someone is looking to amend 18 USC 922.

 

[Blue109]

Wonder if anyone has ever been addicted to LSD lol.


And no....I dont want people on acid anywhere near firearms. was just amused to see it listed as highly addictive.

 

[Andrew TCB]

The government has no business telling people what they are allowed to put in their bodies. Period. Can we just try freedom some day?

 

[YNOTAZ]

Not arguing MJ good/bad:

Isn't this just like a politician. I will remove the question. Well the law and the ruling still stand. The law says you are a prohibited possessor if you use a drug that is on the FEDERAL Schedule 1 drug, MJ.

So the politician makes you feel good and some time later you screw up and the ATF introduces you to Buba as a 10 year roommate.

Politicians always go for what feels good with no solution to the problem.

 

[Super Trucker]

Why, in this day and age, knowing what we now know,... alcohol isn't considered just as dangerous a drug as pot!!!

Or, on the flip side,... with alcohol purchase/possession being regulated to the degree of allowing simultaneous firearm purchase, I don't see why regulated pot purchase/possession can't fall under the same auspice when dealing with firearm purchases.

I just don't see pot as being any more, or, less dangerous to society, than alcohol.

I think the difference is that if you shoot somebody while drinking it takes the cops a minute or two for a breathe test to determine if you are legal or not, with pot I do not know that they can do that very quickly.
I don't really care one way or the other I am just offering a thought on your "more or less dangerous comment". I think its more about control than danger prevention.

 

[shooter444]

Yup, there always is the "control" factor in politics!

Personally, I think it is more of a "cash control" factor.

When those that figure the revenue from taxed alcohol sales, vs, alcohol costs to society,... compared to projected pot tax revenue, vs, costs to society,... they may find it a cash positive legislature exercise.

When the bottom line looks good,.... it can be amazing how a sin can be redefined,... into a virtue, with the stroke of a pen!

 

[shooter444]

The government has no business telling people what they are allowed to put in their bodies. Period. Can we just try freedom some day?

:flags-waveusa: Hmmm, diatribe on the power of words,... part 2 :flags-waveusa:

As long as there are publications, statements, opinions, or general conversation that confirms, for the powers that WOULD BE,... that a percentage of the USA populous has been aptly brainwashed into forgetting that "We the People" are the "Government",... they will gladly step in and tell those people what to do, how to do it, and when to do it!!!

Word use, has power,... ask Joseph Goebbels!!!

As to "freedom",... freedom is a state of mind,... either you have it, or, you don't!!!

Personally,... I have been a freeman since my very first breath and feel very confident my freedom will remain, to my last !!!

 

[A_C Guy]

Reports of pot use related to crime/accidents is probably at the same percentage as previously experienced incidents.

Colorado crime stats show an increase in burglaries beginning the 2nd year after medical use was legalized.
The auto insurance companies do have the data that proves the accident rate increased quicker than the national average in every state that had legalized medical use and even more so in states that legalized recreational use.

In Az, the number of wrong way drivers on the freeways has spiked since medical marijuana has been legalized.

DPS has just recently received the equipment and training to test for DUI under marijuana. There is a specific test that can test for the chemicals in your blood that make you high. Those chemicals are not present after you come down from being high. They are only present when you are high. The problem is that it is a blood test. I don't think DPS officers should be poking people with a needle for suspicion of DUI.

I had a 20 something working for me 18 months ago. He was using medical marijuana. His previous employer laid him off and hired a replacement. I had to do the same. The 1st month he worked OK, but as soon as he had a little cash, he started smoking again. It was obvious by his reduced attention span, loss of short term memory, poor decision making skills. I saw a decline in a 3 to 4 week period. I had to let him go. As an employer, we can't disqualify someone if they have an MMJ card. It would be like refusing to hire a diabetic. That would be asking for a lawsuit. We can't terminate for use on the job. You can't tell a diabetic he can't take his insulin... same thing under the law. You can only lay off due to lack of work and hire someone else. That results in an increase in Unemployment Insurance, which means an increased cost to every consumer in the state.

 

[A_C Guy]

For people that say the government has no right to tell us what we can eat, drink or smoke, remember, the government's primary job is to protect the people. Protect us from invading armies via our military, protect us from murderers and thieves via the police and courts, protect us from drunk drivers and drug impaired drivers also via the police and courts. You want to drink till you drop, fine, do it at home and don't drive. You want to smoke MMJ? fine do it at home and don't drive or show up at work. As soon as you mix it with driving and or working, you are endangering others; now you are the problem.

 

[Suck My Glock]

For people that say the government has no right to tell us what we can eat, drink or smoke, remember, the government's primary job is to protect the people.

You couldn't possibly be more incorrect!

The purpose of the U.S. gov't AS INTENDED was to protect and preserve our rights! In so doing,...yes,...prevent invasions and defend against threats. But the core elements was always to be thr preservation of our liberties. And that to that end, whenever government actions actually take effect against that core purpose, it is illegitimate! This is essential to all understanding of legitimate U.S. government authority. Transgression against it nullifies any claim of such supposed authority.

 

[A_C Guy]

You deleted the rest of my statement. You can eat and drink and smoke whatever you want UNTIL it poses a threat to my well being. The example is drinking and drunk driving. Drink until you puke and pass out at your home if you want. But you can't drink and drive because you endanger others. So the government is required to stop you from driving drunk as part of it's role to provide protections to it's citizens. Smoke if you want, just not where it affects my health.

This is all part of the guarantee of MY RIGHT of LIFE LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS.

When you drive drunk and crash into me, you are violating MY rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
When you smoke pot, you endanger me on the road and at my job; again, you are violating MY rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
The government protects my rights from the drunks and potheads just as it does from murderers and armed invasions.

 

[Suck My Glock]

You deleted the rest of my statement. You can eat and drink and smoke whatever you want UNTIL it poses a threat to my well being. The example is drinking and drunk driving. Drink until you puke and pass out at your home if you want. But you can't drink and drive because you endanger others. So the government is required to stop you from driving drunk as part of it's role to provide protections to it's citizens. Smoke if you want, just not where it affects my health.

This is all part of the guarantee of MY RIGHT of LIFE LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS.

When you drive drunk and crash into me, you are violating MY rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
When you smoke pot, you endanger me on the road and at my job; again, you are violating MY rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
The government protects my rights from the drunks and potheads just as it does from murderers and armed invasions.

But you seem to be advocating for prior restraint; assigning blame for harm before any is done. That is the pernicious ideological underpinning of the entire ban mentlity that has foisted the evils of the failed drug war upon us all, and gives life to the gun banners as well. If someone actually trespasses against you by actually causing something to occur,...fine, hammer the shit out of em. But this prior restraint BS is responsible for so much of our liberties disappearing. Damn it, it pisses me off.

 

[lew]

I like the cut of yer job, S_M_G. :clap:

 

[shooter444]

But you seem to be advocating for prior restraint; assigning blame for harm before any is done. That is the pernicious ideological underpinning of the entire ban mentlity that has foisted the evils of the failed drug war upon us all, and gives life to the gun banners as well. If someone actually trespasses against you by actually causing something to occur,...fine, hammer the s*** out of em. But this prior restraint BS is responsible for so much of our liberties disappearing. Damn it, it pisses me off.

Above is the REAL front line enemy of the battles yet to come! If one dose not understand what SMGlock has shared,... you are an programmed sheep!

THOUGHT POLICE will be, and to a certain degree are, the front line propaganda tool of those who wish to overthrow this Nation!

It is the perfect propaganda weapon created by the parasitic socialist secret state.

WHY?

Because there is no defense for an offense that has not been committed!! Basically, it is the infringement upon our Constitutionally protected Right to due process, aka, innocent until proven guilty!

As SMGlock has insinuated,...if this propaganda tool is not recognized and fought head on, in the light of day,... it surely will be a major down hill slope of the United States of America,... imo.
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