ducatilover
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A family member (who doesn't speak English well) just got his first firearm. I searched for gun law literature in Spanish and could not find much. Anyone know of such literature? Preferably AZ specific?
AZ firearm law literature in spanish?
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Suck My Glock
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I continue to be ashamed at at how little effort the 2nd Amendment community puts forth to include spanish-speakers or immigrants in general. New 1st generation Americans are THE MOST LIKELY to appreciate our freedoms, and we need to be better at including them in the fold.
I had assumed when I read the OP's request that Alan Korwin had a version of his excellent Az Gun Owner's Guide available in spanish to meet this need. I'm astonished that he doesn't. (Gonna have to talk with him about this next time I see him.)
I had assumed when I read the OP's request that Alan Korwin had a version of his excellent Az Gun Owner's Guide available in spanish to meet this need. I'm astonished that he doesn't. (Gonna have to talk with him about this next time I see him.)
ducatilover
Member
I do believe the Spanish speaking community is a sector that is under served and could benefit from education on firearms training/rights/safety. It makes me wonder how hard it would be to get instructor certified and offer some classes in Spanish. Might have to look into this.
I did find this archive which seems to
reference NRA info. It's old but relevant and I formative. If anyone is interested. I'll post more as I find d them.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090208180525/http://nraespanol.org:80/Gunsafety_rules.asp
I did find this archive which seems to
reference NRA info. It's old but relevant and I formative. If anyone is interested. I'll post more as I find d them.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090208180525/http://nraespanol.org:80/Gunsafety_rules.asp
shooter444
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I believe non-english speaking immigrants are hindered, rather than helped, when speaking and reading english is not required. I know there are organizations funded to teach english,... seems like it's just a matter of making the effort to learn, imo.
"As part of a larger survey of Hispanic immigrants fielded in late 2015, Pew Research Center asked Mexican green-card holders why they had not yet become naturalized U.S. citizens. The most frequent reasons centered on inadequate English skills, lack of time or initiative, and the cost of the U.S. citizenship application. These appear to be significant barriers, as nearly all lawful immigrants from Mexico said they would like to become U.S. citizens someday."
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2017/06/29/mexican-lawful-immigrants-among-least-likely-to-become-u-s-citizens/
"As part of a larger survey of Hispanic immigrants fielded in late 2015, Pew Research Center asked Mexican green-card holders why they had not yet become naturalized U.S. citizens. The most frequent reasons centered on inadequate English skills, lack of time or initiative, and the cost of the U.S. citizenship application. These appear to be significant barriers, as nearly all lawful immigrants from Mexico said they would like to become U.S. citizens someday."
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2017/06/29/mexican-lawful-immigrants-among-least-likely-to-become-u-s-citizens/
curtmini14
Member
if you want to live here maybe they should learn the language.do we not send enough tax payer money on these folks.
storage_man
Member
Yeah - Their kids who are born here and attend public schools and receive special instruction insuring that they understand English, but when they go home everyday, their Parents have not tried to learn the English language so they speak Spanish and the effort we spent our tax $ on to teach the kids english, is lost. As was quoted above, well dam, my Grand parents when they arrived as Immigrants in the early 20th century, only spoke Polish, they learned english and became citizens. It has to do with desire.
gunpoorboy1
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First you write the laws in Spanish. Then, of course, all the gun manufactures will have to include manuals in Spanish. And lets not forget, all the FFL's will need to have the legal documents in Spanish.
How about, "if you don't speak English, you don't get a fu$king gun. Jesus, how hard is it?
How about, "if you don't speak English, you don't get a fu$king gun. Jesus, how hard is it?
ducatilover
Member
Aaaaaaaaand the hate comes out.
I hope we can stick to posting relevant info and not "immigrants need to speak English" speech.
I hope we can stick to posting relevant info and not "immigrants need to speak English" speech.
Uh it is the USA, and our language of choice is English, so whats the problem, learn it, or get someone to translate it, evidently you haven't visited a lot of other countries, not a whole lotta english signs and information.
And oh yeah, bring out the race card, its not about hate, its about the law, its being circumvented daily by liberal a holes who believe only the laws they like and want should be followed, does'nt work that way, if you wanna be in the USA, become a naturalized citizen, do something for your community and country instead of drain it resources.
again, not about hate, but if you think it is, then you are the problem.
screw'm learn it or leave.
Rj
And oh yeah, bring out the race card, its not about hate, its about the law, its being circumvented daily by liberal a holes who believe only the laws they like and want should be followed, does'nt work that way, if you wanna be in the USA, become a naturalized citizen, do something for your community and country instead of drain it resources.
again, not about hate, but if you think it is, then you are the problem.
screw'm learn it or leave.
Rj
RandyTF
Member
knockonit said:
THIS ^^^^^
Liberals have made it such that we spend far too much on Spanish signs and literature all over the place. Spend that money to teach them English. Sure it is difficult to learn a language. For some, it is harder to learn than others. But what about making an effort to adapt to the country you live in instead of expecting the country/government to adapt to your language?
No hate here is intended or implied.
shooter444
Member
When I first read this post, I was taken back at the coincidence,... just the day before, I was mailing some goat milk samples and had to wait for 15 minutes while the single postal worker spoke through a translator to two mexican nationals wanting info on how to send money orders back to mexico, ... at least that is what I gleaned from it.
I stood at the counter, starring at the postal worker, the entire time,... not once did she even acknowledge I was there.
On a more personal note. My mother immigrated from a little island off the coast of mainland Greece, when she was 14 years old. She taught herself English in two years to the degree that she was absolutely fluent!!! I experienced many, many times, when she would surprise other greeks by how she spoke english without ANY ACCENT!!!
For my mother, it was never a matter of ' should she', 'could she' or 'who would pay for it',... it was a matter of pride in becoming the best United States citizen she could be!!!
The more and more I read and experience these types of incidents, coupled with the radical hispanic orgs that want to take back the USA southwest, the more and more I am becoming intolerant!!!
I stood at the counter, starring at the postal worker, the entire time,... not once did she even acknowledge I was there.
On a more personal note. My mother immigrated from a little island off the coast of mainland Greece, when she was 14 years old. She taught herself English in two years to the degree that she was absolutely fluent!!! I experienced many, many times, when she would surprise other greeks by how she spoke english without ANY ACCENT!!!
For my mother, it was never a matter of ' should she', 'could she' or 'who would pay for it',... it was a matter of pride in becoming the best United States citizen she could be!!!
The more and more I read and experience these types of incidents, coupled with the radical hispanic orgs that want to take back the USA southwest, the more and more I am becoming intolerant!!!
ducatilover
Member
My parents are Spanish speaking US Citizens and took the naturalization test in English having only received a GED back in the 80s. They can speak English and do so on a daily basis however Spanish is their first language and feel more comfortable speaking and reading it because they have a better understanding when it comes to legal matters. Being their first firearm purchase I want them to have a clear understanding of the laws and responsibilities of our wonderful 2nd Amendment. That's all.
Regardless of how you feel about immigrants, I'm surprised (or maybe not surprised) there aren't more members (and people in general) willing to help others LEGALLY capable gun carrying persons. It seems that anytime the words Spanish or immigrant appear on this forum the bashing comes out. Perhaps I'm wrong and your hearts are truly in the right place.
I agree that learning to speak English is a vital part of being/living in America. However I believe a softer approach would be better suited when it comes to the 2nd Amendment. Us gun owners are often stereotyped and looked at in negative way. Perhaps we could win a few minds through education even if it means sharing information in a foreign language. After all our constitutional rights are not given on the basis of what language we speak. The sharing of information doesn't hurt anyone in this case. It only helps educate and empower those who may not share our love for the 2nd Amendment. That in itself is a win for everyone.
Regardless of how you feel about immigrants, I'm surprised (or maybe not surprised) there aren't more members (and people in general) willing to help others LEGALLY capable gun carrying persons. It seems that anytime the words Spanish or immigrant appear on this forum the bashing comes out. Perhaps I'm wrong and your hearts are truly in the right place.
I agree that learning to speak English is a vital part of being/living in America. However I believe a softer approach would be better suited when it comes to the 2nd Amendment. Us gun owners are often stereotyped and looked at in negative way. Perhaps we could win a few minds through education even if it means sharing information in a foreign language. After all our constitutional rights are not given on the basis of what language we speak. The sharing of information doesn't hurt anyone in this case. It only helps educate and empower those who may not share our love for the 2nd Amendment. That in itself is a win for everyone.
curtmini14
Member
This is a free country if you dont like it leave.it does not help your cause when 80 % of the crimes commited with guns are by folks of latin decent.and as far as morons are concerned takes one to know one butthole.
This should be an excellent opportunity for the person to cultivate a better understanding of the English language...the overwhelming dominant language in the country they now live in.
If I was going to move to France for the rest of my life, I would learn French in a f*cking hurry...just sayin'.
There is a Spanish version of the 4473 already...no other special language version, BTW.
If I was going to move to France for the rest of my life, I would learn French in a f*cking hurry...just sayin'.
There is a Spanish version of the 4473 already...no other special language version, BTW.
shooter444
Member
Hmmm,... actually, the ENGLISH LANGUAGE has been the undeclared national language since the signing of the US CONSTITUTION!!
IE,... the US CONSTITUTION was written in ENGLISH, and NOT OFFERED in any other language!!!
I write "UNDECLARED NATIONAL LANGUAGE" because I doubt our founding fathers ever anticipated politically correct opinions from minorities, affecting national social topics, that would call for such a topic to be addressed in the Constitution. Just as I believe they never expected minorities affecting many other social topics of today.
I find myself being greatly aggravated by any minority group asking for special treatment, or privileges, designed to make their life easier than other American Citizens,... greatly aggravated!
As to clearing up this particular matter,... there is movement on the HILL to address the subject of a declared national language. Although in its infancy,... it is a beginning.
"In a new twist to the contentious immigration debate, the Senate has voted to designate English the national language of the United States, and to effectively ban federal government ordinances and services in any language other than English."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/at-last-america-has-an-official-language-and-yes-its-english-478896.html
IE,... the US CONSTITUTION was written in ENGLISH, and NOT OFFERED in any other language!!!
I write "UNDECLARED NATIONAL LANGUAGE" because I doubt our founding fathers ever anticipated politically correct opinions from minorities, affecting national social topics, that would call for such a topic to be addressed in the Constitution. Just as I believe they never expected minorities affecting many other social topics of today.
I find myself being greatly aggravated by any minority group asking for special treatment, or privileges, designed to make their life easier than other American Citizens,... greatly aggravated!
As to clearing up this particular matter,... there is movement on the HILL to address the subject of a declared national language. Although in its infancy,... it is a beginning.
"In a new twist to the contentious immigration debate, the Senate has voted to designate English the national language of the United States, and to effectively ban federal government ordinances and services in any language other than English."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/at-last-america-has-an-official-language-and-yes-its-english-478896.html
lew said:
You probably ought to read the 1st Amendment and attempt to feebly understand it, its all about freedom of speech and four other rights, learn them, you just might remember what being an American is all about. , its what makes America the greatest country in the world,
shooter444
Member
[glow=red]lew wrote: ↑Today, 10:25 am
ducatilover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 11:24 pm
Aaaaaaaaand the hate comes out.
I hope we can stick to posting relevant info and not "immigrants need to speak English" speech.
You've been around here long enough to know that the morons will always feel the need to speak their minds. While learning English should be strongly encouraged, this country's been multilingual since the get-go.[/glow]
No hate involved guy,... just simple political views and opinions.
Why is it, democrats and those with no facts to offer in a discussion, always resort to name calling and bigotry.
The OP title is about a minority immigrant group receiving special treatment above other groups,.... that's all! Basically, a typical example of a failure of equality, under this Republic based Nation! This Nation was created, as a result of the inequality our countrymen suffered by a King, self proclaimed to have been anointed by God with superiority above all others.
Not a good thing!
Lastly,... a multilingual country can mean a country with a multitude of different language speaking occupants,... but, that does not necessarily indicate that countries chosen national language.
As stated prior,... the Creator Endowed Inalienable Natural Human Right to free speech without suffering the tyranny of a King, Government, or Group,... is one of our basic Human Rights that attract those who speak different languages to the most free country in the entire history of the world!!! Asking, or requiring, their compliance with learning our National language is not an act of HATE!!! Actually, quite the opposite,... it is an offer to become one with the people many have traveled across the earth to live with, and become a part of,... quite a unhatefull act, if you were to ask me!
ducatilover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 11:24 pm
Aaaaaaaaand the hate comes out.
I hope we can stick to posting relevant info and not "immigrants need to speak English" speech.
You've been around here long enough to know that the morons will always feel the need to speak their minds. While learning English should be strongly encouraged, this country's been multilingual since the get-go.[/glow]
No hate involved guy,... just simple political views and opinions.
Why is it, democrats and those with no facts to offer in a discussion, always resort to name calling and bigotry.
The OP title is about a minority immigrant group receiving special treatment above other groups,.... that's all! Basically, a typical example of a failure of equality, under this Republic based Nation! This Nation was created, as a result of the inequality our countrymen suffered by a King, self proclaimed to have been anointed by God with superiority above all others.
Not a good thing!
Lastly,... a multilingual country can mean a country with a multitude of different language speaking occupants,... but, that does not necessarily indicate that countries chosen national language.
As stated prior,... the Creator Endowed Inalienable Natural Human Right to free speech without suffering the tyranny of a King, Government, or Group,... is one of our basic Human Rights that attract those who speak different languages to the most free country in the entire history of the world!!! Asking, or requiring, their compliance with learning our National language is not an act of HATE!!! Actually, quite the opposite,... it is an offer to become one with the people many have traveled across the earth to live with, and become a part of,... quite a unhatefull act, if you were to ask me!
RandyTF
Member
I think sometimes people have a right to hate certain groups such as those who break the law.
In this thread, we are discussing lawful folks that want to be able to understand better by reading about gun laws in their first language. I would say they are not being unreasonable but we can discuss why we think that they should better learn the language considered to be the primary language of the land without including any anger or hate.
I disagree with our taxes being spent to produce signs or literature in any other language than English. If, however, there is such available to those who need it that is not paid for by taxes, fine with me. No hate in this opinion at all. I'd prefer to call my opinion encouragement for those to get better educated.
In this thread, we are discussing lawful folks that want to be able to understand better by reading about gun laws in their first language. I would say they are not being unreasonable but we can discuss why we think that they should better learn the language considered to be the primary language of the land without including any anger or hate.
I disagree with our taxes being spent to produce signs or literature in any other language than English. If, however, there is such available to those who need it that is not paid for by taxes, fine with me. No hate in this opinion at all. I'd prefer to call my opinion encouragement for those to get better educated.