Arm Brace Letter Explained
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My main comment on these determinations, is there are no fast and hard rules defined. How high can the sight be raised over the bore? Does long eye relief scopes count? Who can't reasonably hold the gun in one hand? What does it matter if it looks like a stock if it allows for single arm firing?
If you're going to make rules, at least put hard and fast rules of determination.
Oh, and you would need to be an idiot to register anything for free with the feds before we know what our Fraud in Chief is going to do.
If you're going to make rules, at least put hard and fast rules of determination.
Oh, and you would need to be an idiot to register anything for free with the feds before we know what our Fraud in Chief is going to do.
Cubiclerevolt
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mtptwo said:
So...all those other people who are on form 1's are they idiots too? I'm not trying to grief you or argue but I want to see all angles here.
I mean i hate this, I really do. The whole thing is bullshit. I want to resist, I also don't want them to kill my kid, charge and deport my gf with whatever they want and shoot my dog and slander my name in the media that I was some alt right wing stockpiler and anti vaxxer etc. etc. When in reality I'm a guy studying his way through bible college to become a Pastor who has an ASD child and just wants to be left alone.
If I resist and they lay siege to my house, can I have your freq or phone number to call you to put up the bat signal to help me?
I'm speaking a bit tongue in cheek but serious as well.
This is the dilemma we are faced with right now.
Interestingly enough, the two handguns I have with braces fit all the requirements to be exempt from needing amnesty or registration.
So, it's nice to know what the rules are and as the man says, they're pretty obvious and straightforward.
So, it's nice to know what the rules are and as the man says, they're pretty obvious and straightforward.
If you voluntarily submit and pay for a form 1 or 4 for an item that was already on the NFA list, that’s fine.
To voluntarily submit a form for something just because the ATF just now decided you need to because they suddenly changed their mind is foolish.
It’s nothing more than a registration scam, and one they expect people to do because the tax stamp fee will be waived.
To me the biggest red light is that it’s “free”, yeah right, if they knew they were not going to lose in court they’d be charging you for the privilege to register your pistols.
This is just a scam and trial run to try to get people to put themselves on a list, and see how many will voluntarily comply.
Registration is confiscation, if they think they had enough compliance from people, the next step will be to further tighten their flexible interpretation of the criteria, until they get to the point the final mandate will be that you have to turn them in.
And for those of you that are too scared to not comply, then go ahead and sell your souls for a free stamp, or better yet just take it apart and sell or get rid of the offending parts.
History is a cruel Mistress. It appears the lessons are being forgotten
Thank the good Lord Almighty that Attucks, Washington, Jefferson et al took the stand that they did. WE would never have been had they just sat and did the "I no wanna cuz I could get hurts..."
Thank the good Lord Almighty that Attucks, Washington, Jefferson et al took the stand that they did. WE would never have been had they just sat and did the "I no wanna cuz I could get hurts..."
Cubiclerevolt
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Gunslinger808 said:
I agree with you. I have to ask though...
Do you have children? Like dependent children for life who will need someone to care for them when they are adults? That’s the position I’m in.
It’s very sobering. Most parents look forward to that transition when their kids grow up and then they become empty nesters then grand parents.
I’m not going to get that.
I’m scared because I need to stay alive long enough to save money so that when I’m gone someone will be able to care for him and he doesn’t have to worry about trying to provide for himself because he can’t.
I also want to tell the atf to f*** themselves as well.
Decisions. Decisions.
I can understand you concern.
As to me, I’m 63, retired, my youngest is 40 with 3 kids, and I have little to no care for where my life takes me.
I’m at the point that it’s either fight for a righteous cause, or wait for old age to take me.
My skills are still sharp, my mind is still clear, and my anger is focused.
I’d rather resist than submit.
As to you and yours, I can’t say, it’s one of, if not the most personal choices you’ll ever make.
Do you fight or not, is your children’s future in a free republic worth more than your paycheck?
I have 9 grandkids, and if I can free them from the shackles of what’s coming, I will Rest In Peace.
As to me, I’m 63, retired, my youngest is 40 with 3 kids, and I have little to no care for where my life takes me.
I’m at the point that it’s either fight for a righteous cause, or wait for old age to take me.
My skills are still sharp, my mind is still clear, and my anger is focused.
I’d rather resist than submit.
As to you and yours, I can’t say, it’s one of, if not the most personal choices you’ll ever make.
Do you fight or not, is your children’s future in a free republic worth more than your paycheck?
I have 9 grandkids, and if I can free them from the shackles of what’s coming, I will Rest In Peace.
Man, you post inane and rather derogatory stuff whenever someone disagrees with your ideals.
Now you want to play nice once called on it?
Some people have more to lose than others, and I can understand their reluctance to participate in what’s coming.
You though have repeatedly shown an inability to understand that not everyone is a fighter, or has more to lose, instead you mock and marginalize them.
I’d rather have 10 willing, than 100 unwilling.
Now you want to play nice once called on it?
Some people have more to lose than others, and I can understand their reluctance to participate in what’s coming.
You though have repeatedly shown an inability to understand that not everyone is a fighter, or has more to lose, instead you mock and marginalize them.
I’d rather have 10 willing, than 100 unwilling.
What’s funny is I had a similar conversation with a close friend of mine, bottom line is we will all do what we can within the limited scope of our abilities.
For some, it’s physical, for others it’s moral support, the thing is, we will each do what we can to further our goals.
As to those that sit on the sidelines, or worse yet agree to turn over their rights to those in power, let them enjoy their chains.
As to being disorganized, that is a myth, our forefathers fought and won several wars without the need for cell phones, Facebook, or Twitter, it’s all about small independent cells acting on their own with one common goal.
In reality, the ability of high tech agencies to track you are dependent on you using their products.
Hell, look at the insurgency in Iraq, AStan , and even going back to Viet Nam to see it’s not about networking, it’s about results.
People have been programmed to think that without a ready and immediate source of information that they are lost.
For some, it’s physical, for others it’s moral support, the thing is, we will each do what we can to further our goals.
As to those that sit on the sidelines, or worse yet agree to turn over their rights to those in power, let them enjoy their chains.
As to being disorganized, that is a myth, our forefathers fought and won several wars without the need for cell phones, Facebook, or Twitter, it’s all about small independent cells acting on their own with one common goal.
In reality, the ability of high tech agencies to track you are dependent on you using their products.
Hell, look at the insurgency in Iraq, AStan , and even going back to Viet Nam to see it’s not about networking, it’s about results.
People have been programmed to think that without a ready and immediate source of information that they are lost.
Cubiclerevolt
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The reality is that not everyone is going to be doing the fighting for many different reasons.
There are many other roles to play in a resistance.
Intel gathering.
Logistics.
Procurement.
Creating a supply chain.
Training.
The key is knowing your role and being the best you can at it.
There are many other roles to play in a resistance.
Intel gathering.
Logistics.
Procurement.
Creating a supply chain.
Training.
The key is knowing your role and being the best you can at it.
I find this thread funny.
It starts out with stating the need for letters, law suits, comments to what’s published on the national registry during the comment period national firearms organization, and it’s devolved into Loadouts, evac routes, vehicle combat, team leaders etc.
If we’re all going to sit on our Arses and do nothing when we have a chance to use paper, then nothing more needs to be said that what Kingjoey said; Cojones or no Cojones, that’s all that will count.
It starts out with stating the need for letters, law suits, comments to what’s published on the national registry during the comment period national firearms organization, and it’s devolved into Loadouts, evac routes, vehicle combat, team leaders etc.
If we’re all going to sit on our Arses and do nothing when we have a chance to use paper, then nothing more needs to be said that what Kingjoey said; Cojones or no Cojones, that’s all that will count.
Saw this on another site. The ATF is withdrawing the proposed regs they put in the Federal Register. For now.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/general-notice/sb-criteria-withdrawal-notice-12-23-20pdf/download
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/general-notice/sb-criteria-withdrawal-notice-12-23-20pdf/download
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