Are you too scared, unconfident, or untrained to carry a gun in public?

[kenpoprofessor]

So, I talked to a guy at the range the other day that said he wasn't confident enough to carry a gun in public. Honestly, if you already know your weaknesses, why not attempt to improve? To me, if you're this way, realize it, and do nothing about it, then you deserve what you get if you could've possibly prevented it.


Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[Suck My Glock]

You know, in my years trying to figure out the opposing side, one epiphany I have had is that those who don't trust other people with guns is because they know they themselves can't be trusted with a gun. They at some point had an honest evaluation about themselves and realized that if they were to have a weapon at hand at any given moment, that they themselves would be at risk to act out in a foolish way. And because in their nihilism they are the most virtuous and responsible person they know,...obviously nobody else is capable of being any more virtuous or responsible than they are. So nobody can be trusted with a gun. They are scared of you and me because, actually, they are scared of themselves.

Now I have no problem with anyone realizing they are untrustworthy with a weapon. My only problem is when they transfer that condemnation from themselves onto me.

So don't be so hard on that guy at the range, Clyde. At least he's keeping his failings to himself and not trying to make you like himself.

 

[Tenring]

Well said SMG!

 

[knockonit]

that imo by smg, was absolute ''bullshite'' seems liberalism is floating into your thought process, making it again''bullshite'', amazing how this joint is turning into calguns, so many infiltrators degrading what was a great joint. bummer was a time.

the end and the horror of it all
Rj

 

[SupportTheSecond]

I feel naked when I am not carrying but I respect the laws surrounding the responsibility so if I am going to have wine or something with dinner my weapon is not with me. I do feel uncomfortable though and wish we had the same law as Idaho regarding that.

 

[87jeep]

We have all known that person that it would be better if they called 911.

Carry on

 

[Jack Dupp]

that imo by smg, was absolute ''bullshite'' seems liberalism is floating into your thought process, making it again''bullshite'', amazing how this joint is turning into calguns, so many infiltrators degrading what was a great joint. bummer was a time.

the end and the horror of it all
Rj

I'm not sure how you came up with SMG spewing BS or leaning lefty. I think he was spot on.

 

[pneuby]

So, I talked to a guy at the range the other day that said he wasn't confident enough to carry a gun in public. Clyde

Maybe cut the guy a little slack? He might have been intimidated by your He-Man persona. :idea: He may have been struck with visually induced confusion due to your choice of shirt that day. :mrgreen: Perhaps he merely forgot one simple three-letter word? :think:

....confident enough to carry a gun in public. . . yet.

 

[rockbronco]

that imo by smg, was absolute ''bullshite'' seems liberalism is floating into your thought process, making it again''bullshite'', amazing how this joint is turning into calguns, so many infiltrators degrading what was a great joint. bummer was a time.

the end and the horror of it all
Rj

I'm not sure how you came up with SMG spewing BS or leaning lefty. I think he was spot on.

Agree, Also changes the direction of thought if that guy was willing to get comfortable enough to carry in public or not. He is already at the first step and at the range shooting his gat, maybe he just needs some encouragement or more trigger time to get to the next step and carry it.

 

[smithers599]

Yes I am. I trust in the goodness of my fellow man. I mean person.

 

[Boriqua]

when I took my CCW there was a guy that had to take the shooting portion over a couple of times. Could barely keep it on paper. He then asked during the classroom time "If I see some guys robing the grocery store across the street can I run over and intervene"

Good case of OVER confident.

Im all for a person assessing their skill set or personality and making personal decisions. I also support the guys that just enjoy the act of sport shooting and want no more than to go to the range and play with their toys. More power to them. Freedom and all.

 

[Boriqua]

You know, in my years trying to figure out the opposing side, one epiphany I have had is that those who don't trust other people with guns is because they know they themselves can't be trusted with a gun. They at some point had an honest evaluation about themselves and realized that if they were to have a weapon at hand at any given moment, that they themselves would be at risk to act out in a foolish way. And because in their nihilism they are the most virtuous and responsible person they know,...obviously nobody else is capable of being any more virtuous or responsible than they are. So nobody can be trusted with a gun. They are scared of you and me because, actually, they are scared of themselves.

Now I have no problem with anyone realizing they are untrustworthy with a weapon. My only problem is when they transfer that condemnation from themselves onto me.

So don't be so hard on that guy at the range, Clyde. At least he's keeping his failings to himself and not trying to make you like himself.

Well said

 

[Manitu]

I know more than one person who carries only "in bad parts of town". This northeast corner of mesa does have low crime rates but for the two street shootings, headless corpse dumped in Bashas dumpster, nothing to see here. Automobiles bring the bad part of town to your exit pretty easy.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

You know, in my years trying to figure out the opposing side, one epiphany I have had is that those who don't trust other people with guns is because they know they themselves can't be trusted with a gun. They at some point had an honest evaluation about themselves and realized that if they were to have a weapon at hand at any given moment, that they themselves would be at risk to act out in a foolish way. And because in their nihilism they are the most virtuous and responsible person they know,...obviously nobody else is capable of being any more virtuous or responsible than they are. So nobody can be trusted with a gun. They are scared of you and me because, actually, they are scared of themselves.

Now I have no problem with anyone realizing they are untrustworthy with a weapon. My only problem is when they transfer that condemnation from themselves onto me.

So don't be so hard on that guy at the range, Clyde. At least he's keeping his failings to himself and not trying to make you like himself.

Well said

No, it wasn't "well said", the statements completely missed the point of my post and question. Geezus, some of you people need help.

Clyde

 

[kenpoprofessor]

that imo by smg, was absolute ''bullshite'' seems liberalism is floating into your thought process, making it again''bullshite'', amazing how this joint is turning into calguns, so many infiltrators degrading what was a great joint. bummer was a time.

the end and the horror of it all
Rj

Now that was well said, good to see I caught your eye again :mrgreen:

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[aroyobob]

So, I talked to a guy at the range the other day that said he wasn't confident enough to carry a gun in public.

When you say "in public" do you mean concealed in public or open carry? Sorry, I took the statement to mean open carry but that may not be the context of the conversation.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

When you say "in public" do you mean concealed in public or open carry? Sorry, I took the statement to mean open carry but that may not be the context of the conversation.

Either, he just felt weird carrying outside the house, and more fearful of OC.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[aroyobob]

When you say "in public" do you mean concealed in public or open carry? Sorry, I took the statement to mean open carry but that may not be the context of the conversation.

Either, he just felt weird carrying outside the house, and more fearful of OC.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

I agree, self improvement in this area is a worthy and realistic goal.

Carrying around the house can get a person more comfortable with the weight & feeling. To me, CC confidence is that it's not going to print, isn't going to fall on the floor and will stay concealed. Having some familiarity with the laws (constitutional carry or with a permit,) so you can respond to anyone who does notice it in an intelligent and non-confrontational manner is important too.
The later is probably more important for OC and includes how to respond to, say, a store manager, who asks you to leave the premises.
Just like any nervousness producing situation, role playing with someone can help build some "mental muscle memory" and avoid the surprise mind whiteout.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

I agree, self improvement in this area is a worthy and realistic goal.

Carrying around the house can get a person more comfortable with the weight & feeling. To me, CC confidence is that it's not going to print, isn't going to fall on the floor and will stay concealed. Having some familiarity with the laws (constitutional carry or with a permit,) so you can respond to anyone who does notice it in an intelligent and non-confrontational manner is important too.
The later is probably more important for OC and includes how to respond to, say, a store manager, who asks you to leave the premises.
Just like any nervousness producing situation, role playing with someone can help build some "mental muscle memory" and avoid the surprise mind whiteout.

Muscles do not have "memory", it's called "procedural memory". I did have a chat on how to improve his confidence, and honestly, he just kinda shut it down and said "I just don't have the same confidence you do". Kinda hopeless at that point to help, so I left.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[YNOTAZ]

I think we should help people like that guy.

If they don’t feel comfortable carrying, they certainly won’t feel comfortable pulling the trigger in an emergency, so the bad guy gets another gun.

If they don’t feel comfortable carrying a gun, that they own they will see no need for bump stocks, forced reset trigger, magazines that hold more than 10- rounds, binary triggers, and assault weapons. They will vote to eliminate all of those as “common sense gun control”.

So, I would help them with paid transportation to California which has everything they’re looking for, Losem Gaine.

We already have our quota Fudds in AZ, and don’t need any more.