AR15 IN 556 scopes power for the distance

[Elk34]

I tell you how I know that a 556 55 fmj does drop right out of the barrel. Not enough to change anything but when it stabilizes it will rise a little . How do I know this .We have it on a high speed camera at a weapons testing site.

 

[QuietM4]

Bullets do not climb. A bullet will NEVER rise above the axis of the bore. If you zero your rifle at 300 yards (or ANY distance) the sight/optic alignment places the barrel/bore in a slightly upward angle, and the bullet starts its arc, rises slightly above the level of the muzzle, but never above the axis of the barrel/bore, reaches a peak, then descends.

https://www.chuckhawks.com/bullet_trajectory.htm

 

[Elk34]

Yes like I said I have a 300 yard zero on the rifle.

Cool beans. Care to try and dig your hole deeper by explaining how a 300y zero allows you to defy gravity for 6y whereas any other zero does not?

Hey basher did you know even though a bullet will drop once it stabilizes it will rise a little before falling again. I think your reading to many FM manuals.

 

[Elk34]

I tell you how I know that a 556 55 fmj does drop right out of the barrel. Not enough to change anything but when it stabilizes it will rise a little . How do I know this .We have it on a high speed camera at a weapons testing site.

He has invoked the MIB.

Silence yourselves and kneel. :shhh:

Yup :laughing-rolling:

 

[Bullzaye]

I'm just going to make one quick statement here, and then I'll be quiet...I'm not going to participate in this. Not picking sides, or pointing at anyone in particular...but can't a conversation be had without devolving into name-calling and hurled insults? Is it your goal to have this thread locked as well?

 

[Elk34]

I'm just here for these kids to chase. Don't run with scissors!

 

[delta6]

There is no hole. A 556 round will leave the bar depending on twist and speed. Start to drop around 2 or 3 yards. Not inches but not as much as you guys think. It starts to stabilize. Once it stabilizes it will climb and then starts to fall. So yes it does fall first and then will climbs and falls again.

Newton and Einstein are literally turning over in their graves. Please God, help us.
Oh wait, it could be the virus... never mind.

 

[Elk34]

:evil: I do have a fever

 

[delta6]

I tell you how I know that a 556 55 fmj does drop right out of the barrel. Not enough to change anything but when it stabilizes it will rise a little . How do I know this .We have it on a high speed camera at a weapons testing site.

:text-worthless:

 

[Elk34]

I tell you how I know that a 556 55 fmj does drop right out of the barrel. Not enough to change anything but when it stabilizes it will rise a little . How do I know this .We have it on a high speed camera at a weapons testing site.

:text-worthless:

You know how much red tape I would need to go through to show you the videos. I don't think I want to go to jail for you guys. So think what ever you want . I know what a saw.

 

[Basher]

Hey basher did you know even though a bullet will drop once it stabilizes it will rise a little before falling again. I think your reading to many FM manuals.

Prove it. Post these videos you have. :lol:

I'm calling a spade a spade here. You're full of it. Gravity cannot be suspended unless you're generating enough lift to overcome the weight of the object. With a strong enough wind, the Magnus Effect can be experienced where the bullet will rise or fall IN RELATION TO YOUR POINT OF AIM while also being drifted left or right, depending on which direction your barrel spins the projectile (it's called Aerodynamic Jump, see this non-black helicopter, red-tape, unclassified video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfwwflFQDHw).

But that's it. The bullet itself is not magically suspending gravity's force, nor is it flying. It's in a constant state of free-fall, hence why you have to alter the angle of your bore when adjusting your sights or holding over. Show me hard, quantitative evidence to back up your claims and I'll reconsider. Until then... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Also, I don't believe I've ever read a single field manual in my life, or whatever an FM is. I get my knowledge from guys who've spent years researching this stuff, not errant government produced manuals that have been watered down for the lowest common denominator that they plan to train in Basic. I'm way beyond that stuff, brother. I will NEVER claim to be an expert, but I also wasn't born yesterday, so I'm not buying your crap. You, one dude, claiming that literally hundreds of thousands of experienced shooters and researchers are wrong? Good luck with that! :lol:

 

[Elk34]

No I'm just telling you what your tax dollars paid for. I know guys in research and development . I have seen things and that's it. Now I would die before giving them up. So that's it. You won't be hearing from.me anymore on this issue.
You win :banana-dance:

 

[Ballistic Therapy]

The only reason a bullet will rise after it leaves the barrel is because the barrel is at an upward angle ( pointed up ).
It is impossible for anything to rise unless it has some kind of propellant pushing it. Once the bullet has been fired there is nothing to propel it further.
If the barrel of a gun ( any gun ) is level with the earth and a round is fired from it , the bullet will not rise , it will drop. It might go for a ways before it hits the ground , but it will not rise.
A junior high physics class teaches that.

 

[delta6]

I'm just going to make one quick statement here, and then I'll be quiet...I'm not going to participate in this. Not picking sides, or pointing at anyone in particular...but can't a conversation be had without devolving into name-calling and hurled insults? Is it your goal to have this thread locked as well?

Bullzaye:
I understand your concern. The "devolving" of this thread, as you put it, has nothing to do with opinions or personalities (at least from this poster). It started ( at least my understanding of what I read) with some premise about which power scope in a 5.56 for what range? I was a pretty open ended question, that folks could express their opinion, but we all realize that the question had no real answer. The answer for each person would be different and would spawn an open discussion why their choice was, what it was. Good for the learning process, even if you disagreed.

Most here know that open sights, red dot and scopes, are aiming devices and none of them have anything do do with accuracy of the platform they are on. The major advantage to a scope is, that a
scope gives the shooter, the ability to see the target better, with greater precision (aim small, miss small) and with or without the scope the accuracy capability of the platform is the same.

Where the "devolving" started was when posts were made that science, any science, could not justify, verify or confirm, and that's when the wheels in this thread came off.

You can post that the sky is blue. We can argue what shade the blue is or is not. What we can't post, without the thread "devolving" is, "That there is no sky"!

 

[Basher]

Still don't buy your cloak and dagger BS. There's nothing THAT secret about ballistics. Hornady, Berger, Sierra, Barnes, and all the other big names would be publishing such data if it were real. Hornady in particular is using doppler radar to plot actual external ballistic data rather than using theoretical calculations. Not a word from them on this mysterious gravity defying 300y zero. On top of that, don't you think the rise of Extreme Long Range competition would have uncovered this other-worldly phenomenon if it actually existed?? It's not secret sauce, it's bull crap. You're well on your way to cementing yourself as one of the biggest trolls AZS has ever had, hahaha.