AR Pistol question

[RandyTF]

That's funny .how many ar's have u built? How much money have you spent on AR armour's tools? How many tools have you had custom built?.

Do you somehow feel the need to prove something? I don't need to myself. But I have had a bit of experience with assembling rifles to question doing an AR pistol in 14 minutes. Unless you are talking about a fair amount of pre assembly from the factory such as a complete upper.

 

[RandyTF]

If you do have a video of yourself assembling an AR, it would help in the credibility department to see it done so fast.

 

[Ranger1]

Again you don't read well do you. You should go back and read what I said. Let me enlighten you. I said buy this Palmetto state Armoury kit. Buy a reciever and I will build it for you in 14 mins. Huh. I believe a kit comes with a upper reciever complete. Hell if you know what you are doing and have a custom receiver block at your fingertips, putting a barrel on a upper and forearm are as easy as wiping yourA$s. I have dedicated visas already set up for this. I feel the need to prove to you the person challenging ME on 14 min lower build. If all you build are a couple weapons cool. I build a hell of a lot . I dont like to spend a lot of time doing it. So I went down to a buddy of mine that's a manufacture and had him give me a class on building weapons. There are short cuts and i bought a lot of custom vise blocks from him. Now i whip through them easy

 

[shooter444]

May I suggest getting opinions from members on COMPLETE PISTOL UPPER MANUFACTURES and COMPLETE LOWER MANUFACTURES,... that they trust.

Working the two pins to put an upper and lower together shouldn't be considered " building", imo.

I have bought a HARDEN ARMS 300 BLKOUT complete upper when I wanted a pistol, and then built my lower. I usually build both, but, I just couldn't beat their price,... been many years, so I really can't say much about current prices, but, I assume their quality has remained the same, or even improved, considering the personal communications I had with their tech rep.

All the best!

 

[Ranger1]

Hey 444 u are on my ignore list. Your just not that important

 

[RandyTF]

Actually, the term "build" is misleading when all you do with ARs is assemble parts. I am a retired building contractor. In building you take materials and change them into something new and different to become a house, cabinet, etc. There are not pre cut parts to simply stack up to do such things. AR parts are, for the most part, interchangeable. It is simply "assembly". But we like to think we create our own AR so the term "build" is more creative sounding. But they are fun to ______ (fill in the blank.)

 

[shooter444]

Technically correct RandyTF,... and, in addition, as the guy who helped me get started building said,... mill spec parts, are mil spec parts,... so, other than some nifty aftermarket parts like a titanium firing pin, exotic trigger systems, etc, etc,.... parts are parts, so,...build/assemble away!!!

:dance:

 

[Steve_In_29]

Actually, the term "build" is misleading when all you do with ARs is assemble parts. I am a retired building contractor. In building you take materials and change them into something new and different to become a house, cabinet, etc. There are not pre cut parts to simply stack up to do such things. AR parts are, for the most part, interchangeable. It is simply "assembly". But we like to think we create our own AR so the term "build" is more creative sounding. But they are fun to ______ (fill in the blank.)

^^^This

Putting an AR together is not even close to what guys who "build" AKs or roller-lock weapons from flats have to do. Where a press, drill press, welding, heat treatment and rivets are involved.

As I mentioned earlier, with a PSA kit you can have a pistol for sub $500.

 

[Ranger1]

Good I'm glad we got that out of the way. Assembly. :lol: But there is SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED even with a kit

 

[RandyTF]

Actually, the term "build" is misleading when all you do with ARs is assemble parts. I am a retired building contractor. In building you take materials and change them into something new and different to become a house, cabinet, etc. There are not pre cut parts to simply stack up to do such things. AR parts are, for the most part, interchangeable. It is simply "assembly". But we like to think we create our own AR so the term "build" is more creative sounding. But they are fun to ______ (fill in the blank.)

^^^This

Putting an AR together is not even close to what guys who "build" AKs or roller-lock weapons from flats have to do. Where a press, drill press, welding, heat treatment and rivets are involved.

As I mentioned earlier, with a PSA kit you can have a pistol for sub $500.

Yes sir! AKs are a bit more like a build. Did I tell you that I built my AK in 6 minutes?

 

[Ballistic Therapy]

I am starting to wish I had never ask.
First off I have no desire whatsoever to put one together. I just don't want to.
I know a little bit about AR's as I have several and I carried one in the service for 9 years.
I purchased my first personal AR style rifle in 1971. It was a Colt SP1.
I have had them ever since. I do not need a lesson on how they work or how they are put together.
Every AR I have ever owned except one has been made by Colt.
If Colt made an AR pistol I would just buy that , but as far as I can see they don't make them.

I just wanted opinions on what a good Factory made AR pistol was.
That is all.

 

[Ranger1]

No problem go to https://www.groundzeroprecision.com/collections/ar-15-rifles
You will find a nice pistol.

 

[Ranger1]

He has sales ever week. If its sold out he will have more.

 

[Steve_In_29]

Actually, the term "build" is misleading when all you do with ARs is assemble parts. I am a retired building contractor. In building you take materials and change them into something new and different to become a house, cabinet, etc. There are not pre cut parts to simply stack up to do such things. AR parts are, for the most part, interchangeable. It is simply "assembly". But we like to think we create our own AR so the term "build" is more creative sounding. But they are fun to ______ (fill in the blank.)

^^^This

Putting an AR together is not even close to what guys who "build" AKs or roller-lock weapons from flats have to do. Where a press, drill press, welding, heat treatment and rivets are involved.

As I mentioned earlier, with a PSA kit you can have a pistol for sub $500.

Yes sir! AKs are a bit more like a build. Did I tell you that I built my AK in 6 minutes?

Did you do it during a typhoon? :lol:

 

[RandyTF]

The typhoon didn't bother me because I was scuba diving at the time!!

 

[RandyTF]

I am starting to wish I had never ask.
First off I have no desire whatsoever to put one together. I just don't want to.
I know a little bit about AR's as I have several and I carried one in the service for 9 years.
I purchased my first personal AR style rifle in 1971. It was a Colt SP1.
I have had them ever since. I do not need a lesson on how they work or how they are put together.
Every AR I have ever owned except one has been made by Colt.
If Colt made an AR pistol I would just buy that , but as far as I can see they don't make them.

I just wanted opinions on what a good Factory made AR pistol was.
That is all.

Sometimes a simple question does not have a simple answer. There are too many variables involved with ARs and lots of good ones to chose from. Since you have experience with them, you shouldn't be surprised.

 

[Steve_In_29]

I am starting to wish I had never ask.
First off I have no desire whatsoever to put one together. I just don't want to.
I know a little bit about AR's as I have several and I carried one in the service for 9 years.
I purchased my first personal AR style rifle in 1971. It was a Colt SP1.
I have had them ever since. I do not need a lesson on how they work or how they are put together.
Every AR I have ever owned except one has been made by Colt.
If Colt made an AR pistol I would just buy that , but as far as I can see they don't make them.

I just wanted opinions on what a good Factory made AR pistol was.
That is all.

Well if you know so much about ARs then I don't see what's so hard with deciding which AR pistol to buy. They are simply an AR with a shorter barrel and minus the buttstock after all. So it's not rocket science.

Colt's have the name but are hardly the top end of ARs as far as quality goes. If you are fine paying Colt prices then pick any AR pistol in the $1K+ range and lay down your money.

 

[Ballistic Therapy]

I just wanted opinions on what other people thought were quality out of the 100's of AR makers these days.
The only contribution you added was " pay as little as possible " and now you say pay $1k for one.
So apparently according to your vast knowledge are you saying that the ones you pay the least for are as good as the ones you pay $1K for ? 
Only two people in three pages of this thread actually gave a recommendation.

 

[underw0rld]

Top of Line:
LWRC
Daniel Defense
HK
SIG
Noveske
Knights Armament
LMT
Barrett
Quentin Defense. I like the couple milled receiver versions I have

Middle Road:
BCM
Colt
DPMS
Palmetto
Bushmaster
Rock River
Ruger
Stag
Olympic Arms
Spikes
Midwest
Remington

Bottom:
Aero Precision
Anderson
Anderson Lower/Plametto upper Frankenrifle(Backpage special)
Hesse/Vulcan Armament and their many reincarnations

 

[shooter444]

I just wanted opinions on what other people thought were quality out of the 100's of AR makers these days.
The only contribution you added was " pay as little as possible " and now you say pay $1k for one.
So apparently according to your vast knowledge are you saying that the ones you pay the least for are as good as the ones you pay $1K for ? 
Only two people in three pages of this thread actually gave a recommendation.

Ballistic Therapy, I have enjoyed some of your posts,... in the past.

But, I don't know you personally, and your attitude on this post has put me off a bit. I don't know what you position in life is, but, just because you ask, or, demand something from others,... doesn't mean they must comply.

I understand you frustration, I have experienced the same in the past, but, getting froggy just because you aren't being satisfied by strangers, won't get you many points,... imo.

Take a breathe guy,... it's just the internet!