Anyone here have recent transfer success on F4
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At the beginning of the year, some guys got theirs in 90 days or even less. In June, I was told the wait was averaging 150 days. Right now there are a lot of guys that e-filed in February and still don't have their stuff approved. I'm guessing if one were to start an e-file now, it would be 200 days at least.
Paper you're looking at well over a year.
Paper you're looking at well over a year.
My eForm1's have been taking about 60-90 days on average. Had some approved earlier this year in ~30 days and some taking over 120 days.
The only Form 4 I have is a paper F4 I sent in in late December, 2021. I don't expect to hear anything back from that one until early 2023.
The only Form 4 I have is a paper F4 I sent in in late December, 2021. I don't expect to hear anything back from that one until early 2023.
I had 3 form 4's recently approved:
Form 4, Paper, Individual, MG, Purchased 6/23/21, Pending 7/13/21, Approved 7/14/22
Form 4 (x2), Paper, Trust, Silencers, Purchased 7/12/21, Pending 7/29/21, Approved 7/14/22
I was curious if an Individual or trust would be faster. For me they were somehow grouped together and approved on the same day by the same ATF official.
Form 4, Paper, Individual, MG, Purchased 6/23/21, Pending 7/13/21, Approved 7/14/22
Form 4 (x2), Paper, Trust, Silencers, Purchased 7/12/21, Pending 7/29/21, Approved 7/14/22
I was curious if an Individual or trust would be faster. For me they were somehow grouped together and approved on the same day by the same ATF official.
Jack,Jack Dupp said:
Hmm, maybe as you stated, I am special :shock:
I have been told there are times a dealer can tell his customer he has sent the paperwork in and hasn't. When the fed's received the form, it was dated 3-6 months before they received it. Paper forms bring a whole new issue into the equation. Filing out the form one can make a mistake. They say 40% plus of Form1's have an error. If handwritten it can cause a reading error by the examiner or a combination of both. Once there is an error, this can cause a cascade of issues and delays, mainly they put it in a pile that they get to when they have time. As far as Efile, it is pretty hard to make a mistake. Your inventory is on line and the program is pretty much fail safe since most is cut, paste or click.
I have been doing this a longtime and have got to know a lot of examiners, IOI's and their bosses over the years. What I have learned over that time is that timely submission and an error free document can speed up transfer times.
There are plenty of other problems with the system and the list would be toooo long to post, from the accuracy of the registry to not enough budget for the people necessary. Why others are taking longer, I can't say. Maybe, I'm just lucky and caught an examiner that likes her job and isn't "quietly quitting", or... maybe I really am special! :lol:
Attached is a snap shot of a Form4 that was submitted in April 7, 2022 and approved June 27, 2022 and delivered to the customer June 28, 2022.
Jack Dupp said:
Jack,
Still special? There are some examiners that are not "quietly quitting". This is a form 3 (dealer/dealer) submitted on 8/30/2022 and approved on 8/31/2022.
Maybe your dealer need to take their examiner to lunch??
Yea. My SOT submitted an eform early June. The only gauge I have on this is his submissions and he said he has 2 submissions before mine that are still in process. May be mine will come soon but this is slow
Put this under the go figure category. I filed a f4 paper file MG last march and an efile last May. Efiles are supposed to be fast and efficient , paper file is slow and …..slow.
Not complaining, but the paper file F4 came through last week. Still waiting on the efile.
Not complaining, but the paper file F4 came through last week. Still waiting on the efile.
I did a paper Form 4 last December and it was approved in early November, so it took appx 11 months. Had to do that over an eForm 4 because it was an intra-state transfer with no FFL involved.
Guys, FWIW. I got a disapproved on my Efile form 4 because of the address. The efile has no provision to edit so my SOT could do nothing. Make sure it has everything perfect before hitting the send button. Also the disapproval came after a 9 month wait. The other gun was paper file and done 3 months prior to the efile. It was approved after a 10 month wait.
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