Looking at the Wisconsin shoot ... I dont know. I will say it again. I think since they have lowered physical standards for PD, have taken some of their tools ie. those nifty cocobolo nightsticks, that the PD has become to guncentric.
They had to change the standards to let the ladies in and I think it wreaked the PD. My two buddies in NYPD were the last class that did the boxing requirement and that was late 80's.
Just for the people who have never read any of my posts .. I am not ANTI cop. I had two very close friends become NYPD while I knew them. One became anticrime fast and spent 20 years chasing bad guys through some rough areas in the hey days of NYC violence.
I hung out and rode motorcycles with a big NYPD group. My neighbor and good friend in queens on one side was a sergeant and team leader of an Emergency service Truck (swat) and on the other side was a detective who was the one who introduced me to the motorcycle group. Good guy and whew .. the horror stories. I think I would rather be a beat cop than a homicide detective. He saw stuff people shouldnt have to see.
There is even a LEO on the board I have been in touch with some 15 years now and I know to be a good guy and funny as $hit without even trying.
Shitty job and I wouldnt take it. Good pay but its blood money I dont want.
So that all aside
When I was coming up .. guns were around but not quite so prevalent. Mostly you fought with hands, chains, improvised weapons, knives and bludgeons. Been in more than a few large group on large group affairs and they were entertaining.
I patrolled the line at a Caribbean nightclub with a dog and even worked with a bunch of other folks at a punk rock club throwing out stoners mostly.
There would be times when a beef was picking up and some genius would announce .. Yea Mother%&&*%$^ ... and start toward his car. It meant he wasnt currently armed but he was going to get something.
Without being armed ... you didnt let them get to the car. It was a done deal ..
Once you announced ... Im going to my car or "just wait" and then head to your car or apartment .. you ran that MFer down and tackled him like you were playing for the Giants before he got there and then you and a few others might spend a minute or two doing a two step against his head seeing who could bounce it off the car best. he might even get stuck a time or two.
When you finally walked away .. he wasn't getting anything from the car. He was sleeping, or blubbering.
The guy in the vid was strolling. I dig it .. he didn't comply and cops cant put you in a choke hold, cant stomp your a$$ and dont have a night stick so they cant open up a few stitches in your head but .. seems to me that it would have been easy enough to bum rush him before he got to the car and have his scrawny ass sprawled out.
Am I saying that because I feel especially bad for him .. nah. Probably needed shooting and it would have come from somewhere but .. the country is burning and cops are going to be hung out to dry at every opportunity. Use your head ... Tackle that bitch like your a middle line backer while he is still walking toward the car and put your damn gun away.
Going to sound crazy but .. every one of the cops I knew personally from back east had grown up in the Burbs .. maybe you need some inner city thumpers to deal with these guys. Cant be all about the guns.
Unfortunately .. with everyone shooting video its hard to throw a beat down but .. I had a friend. My daughters god father. We power lifted together and played on the same adult contact football league. Dudes shoulders were the size of bowling balls and he is the strongest person I ever met when it came to lifting. I remember when he was arrested in a bar and placed without a mark in the patrol car. 30 of us saw him go. Later that night we visited him in the hospital ... seems he got lumped up along the way.... hmmmmmm ...
Not advocating police thugary ... or maybe I am. I am an old skinny weak bitch now and I dont run the same 4.5 second 40 I once did ... and my gun is still my last resort.
Give them back those night sticks and spend some time teaching them to fight dirty.
They had to change the standards to let the ladies in and I think it wreaked the PD. My two buddies in NYPD were the last class that did the boxing requirement and that was late 80's.
Just for the people who have never read any of my posts .. I am not ANTI cop. I had two very close friends become NYPD while I knew them. One became anticrime fast and spent 20 years chasing bad guys through some rough areas in the hey days of NYC violence.
I hung out and rode motorcycles with a big NYPD group. My neighbor and good friend in queens on one side was a sergeant and team leader of an Emergency service Truck (swat) and on the other side was a detective who was the one who introduced me to the motorcycle group. Good guy and whew .. the horror stories. I think I would rather be a beat cop than a homicide detective. He saw stuff people shouldnt have to see.
There is even a LEO on the board I have been in touch with some 15 years now and I know to be a good guy and funny as $hit without even trying.
Shitty job and I wouldnt take it. Good pay but its blood money I dont want.
So that all aside
When I was coming up .. guns were around but not quite so prevalent. Mostly you fought with hands, chains, improvised weapons, knives and bludgeons. Been in more than a few large group on large group affairs and they were entertaining.
I patrolled the line at a Caribbean nightclub with a dog and even worked with a bunch of other folks at a punk rock club throwing out stoners mostly.
There would be times when a beef was picking up and some genius would announce .. Yea Mother%&&*%$^ ... and start toward his car. It meant he wasnt currently armed but he was going to get something.
Without being armed ... you didnt let them get to the car. It was a done deal ..
Once you announced ... Im going to my car or "just wait" and then head to your car or apartment .. you ran that MFer down and tackled him like you were playing for the Giants before he got there and then you and a few others might spend a minute or two doing a two step against his head seeing who could bounce it off the car best. he might even get stuck a time or two.
When you finally walked away .. he wasn't getting anything from the car. He was sleeping, or blubbering.
The guy in the vid was strolling. I dig it .. he didn't comply and cops cant put you in a choke hold, cant stomp your a$$ and dont have a night stick so they cant open up a few stitches in your head but .. seems to me that it would have been easy enough to bum rush him before he got to the car and have his scrawny ass sprawled out.
Am I saying that because I feel especially bad for him .. nah. Probably needed shooting and it would have come from somewhere but .. the country is burning and cops are going to be hung out to dry at every opportunity. Use your head ... Tackle that bitch like your a middle line backer while he is still walking toward the car and put your damn gun away.
Going to sound crazy but .. every one of the cops I knew personally from back east had grown up in the Burbs .. maybe you need some inner city thumpers to deal with these guys. Cant be all about the guns.
Unfortunately .. with everyone shooting video its hard to throw a beat down but .. I had a friend. My daughters god father. We power lifted together and played on the same adult contact football league. Dudes shoulders were the size of bowling balls and he is the strongest person I ever met when it came to lifting. I remember when he was arrested in a bar and placed without a mark in the patrol car. 30 of us saw him go. Later that night we visited him in the hospital ... seems he got lumped up along the way.... hmmmmmm ...
Not advocating police thugary ... or maybe I am. I am an old skinny weak bitch now and I dont run the same 4.5 second 40 I once did ... and my gun is still my last resort.
Give them back those night sticks and spend some time teaching them to fight dirty.