18 plus dead in walmart/mall shooting in elpaso

[Crippledtrigger]

Only a couple hours old. Still active scene with multiple shooters reported. Gangs? Terror? Who knows.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Lefty Liberal: 'Well, gosh...why would ANYONE need to carry a gun with them at Walmart?'

HERE'S YOUR REASON WHY.

 

[smithers599]

How's that Gun-Free Zone thingy working out for you?

What happened to the people who shot back at him? (Nobody did.) Aha, very interesting.

Good thing you need to be 21 to buy a rifle, right? (He was 21.) Aha, very interesting.

He shot without interference for about 20 minutes, so magazine capacity and reloading time were irrelevant, right?

How many people do you think he would have killed if he had blocked a couple of exits and set the store on fire?

How many people do you think he would have killed if he had driven a pickup truck through the parking lot?

 

[toyhunt]

The dems already on the talking points. We are in for it this time. I will not give in,let them take from me in person. Just think of the new political ads, Trump is a gun supporter ,vote for a Dem to take them all,just wait.

 

[Boriqua]

The giant question is ... where did all these sick pu$$ies come from. Seems regular enough that some wimp shots up unarmed innocents. Welcome to internet famous and all it's repercussions.

 

[delta6]

The giant question is ... where did all these sick pu$$ies come from. Seems regular enough that some wimp shots up unarmed innocents. Welcome to internet famous and all it's repercussions.

Yep... appears he gave up and surrendered.. he can now bask in his 15 minutes of fame.. and the hours and hours by the MSM.

 

[Boriqua]

Trump is not a 2a guy. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I am hoping for draconian, sick, stomach turning new punishments for these little bitches but I have a feeling something is going the way of the bump stock.

Some more info and pix here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7317905/El-Paso-police-say-theres-active-shooter-local-mall.html

Wearing hearing protection. Wonder how long before that is outlawed.

 

[smithers599]

So far, we have been amazingly lucky that none of these psychos has bought his gun at a gun show. Fingers crossed again this time. If he bought his rifle at a gun show, then the screams for Universal Background Checks will drown out all reason. I hope he is another one who bought his gun after a background check.

 

[shooter444]

I don't give a damn,... go unarmed,... die!

 

[xerts1191]

NRA and Trumps fault!

 

[ex462]

and you know what the dems will say. 'Keep that … on the battlefield': Beto O'Rourke condemns access to assault weapons after El Paso shooting

 

[toyhunt]

Anyone see reports he was a registered demonrat and Trump hater, or more fake news?

 

[Crippledtrigger]

Ya I saw a link to one of those background check websites saying he was a lib who supported Clinton. And another that said opposite.


Fraking Russian trolls...

 

[smithers599]

Aaaaaand, here comes Trump.

https://fox8.com/2019/08/05/president-trump-calls-for-background-checks-and-immigration-reform-in-response-to-29-killed-in-two-mass-shootings/

We cannot let those killed in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, die in vain. Likewise for those so seriously wounded. We can never forget them, and those many who came before them. Republicans and Democrats must come together and get strong background checks,

I'm watching Fox News, and so far, I have not heard one person mention that both these psychos passed background checks. Nor do I expect to.

Let's see, background checks failed in these two cases, and in every other mass shooting so far, so the proposal is to do more of what has failed and failed and failed. That's brilliant. While we are at it, why don't we put up more Gun-Free Zone signs, since those have been so ineffective?

 

[Solar_Empire]

Maybe this will get people to wake up and see Republicans are not on our side...but I doubt it.

 

[Boriqua]

Trump is going to fold. No doubt. Especially if he gets to bring any red meat at all out of it on immigration.

I hope I am wrong but AWB may be in before he is out. Private sales is up for grabs but according to everything I have read that might happen first.

Trump already made some noise a bit ago on silencers so it could be thrown in the pot if he has to sweeten the deal.

Haven't seen any noise on mag limits ....yet

 

[harleypower69]

Maybe this will get people to wake up and see Republicans are not on our side...but I doubt it.

Neither Party is "on our side". They are in it for personal gain and long terms at the trough. They are fearful of a restless citizenry and will slowly nibble away at the Constitution. Term limits are needed now more than ever.

 

[shooter444]

Maybe this will get people to wake up and see Republicans are not on our side...but I doubt it.

Neither Party is "on our side". They are in it for personal gain and long terms at the trough. They are fearful of a restless citizenry and will slowly nibble away at the Constitution. Term limits are needed now more than ever.

Thanks Harleypower69 !!! Truth is a rare commodity in a political atmosphere of constant lies!

As for 'silencers',... I see no issue with regulating non defensive tools, that do not fall under the protection of our Constitution's 2nd Amendment,... actually, I could not care less about them.

On the other hand,... I do believe 'silencers' fall under the issue of HEALTH, and can be fought for in that political arena quite nicely,... and, probably with good success, if the uneducated are enlightened .

 

[Boriqua]

As for 'silencers',... I see no issue with regulating non defensive tools, that do not fall under the protection of our Constitution's 2nd Amendment,... actually, I could not care less about them.

I do not own a silencer ..will likely never own a silencer and when I am thinking about things that I need to keep me safe and what money I have on hand to allocate to different things a silencer doesn't fit MY equation.

I also never owned a bump stock and think they are silly and I don't own any semi automatic rifles. Specifically I don't have any nor do I want any AR style rifles. Fine weapon but it doesn't fit any of the things i want from a gun.

So having said all that .. How I define my needs in self defense or fun shooting toys is not the same as someone else's and while I would never own a silencer I have a big problem with using them as bargaining chips as was done with those bump stock things.

I dont want it to seem like an attack but I am not sure where you are getting a clear precise constitutional definition on what TYPES of weapons or accessories are protected.

I think the founders were smart enough to leave it a bit open ended which is good as we might all be relegated to muskets.

Is a 30rd magazine a non defensive accessory? How about a 100 rd drum? Its not for me to say and if you live in tight quarters and don't want to blow out the ear drums of everyone you share space with ... Is a silencer a non defensive accessory?

I dont know the answer ... what I do know is its not up to me or big G to tell anyone else what their defensive needs are. They need to punish people for crimes and not punish the possession of inanimate objects..

Trump is purported to be the wheeler dealer man and I can see the lore of walking into any meeting with a list of things you will not budge on and an equally impressive list of things you can use as bargaining chips but its a slippery slop.

I dont know you but I will equate it to watching someone get jumped in the hood back in the day. First they would corner someone and say .. Yo man you got a dime. Sad person would give them a dime ... then they would say ... that's a nice watch .. how about you give me that watch too. Soon our errant traveler is standing there with no shoes, no money no jewelry and no one to blame as he started the process.

 

[smithers599]

The Second Amendment is not about personal self defense, any more than it is about hunting or target shooting. Those things are included incidentally, just like topless dancing and purple Mohawk hairdos are protected by the First Amendment.

The "core" purpose of the Second Amendment is to enable the People to shoot American soldiers and American police officers when the government uses them as instruments of tyranny. This is an uncomfortable truth, unpopular (and frightening) for a demographic (gun owners) who are the strongest supporters of military and police. Yes we support our troops and our police, but if their boss ever orders them to round up Jews and put them on trains, or round up American citizens whose grandparents were born in Japan, or round up homosexuals or fugitive slaves or NRA members, then the founders wanted us to have the means to shoot them. With our privately owned weapons ("arms." not "sporting goods"). If any of the People choose to keep silencers or 100-round magazines or fifty caliber rifles or bump stocks for that purpose, then that is their business.

But let's not fool ourselves into thinking the Second Amendment only protects objects suitable for self defense.

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.
Noah Webster -- 1787