Gun ownership

[mtptwo]

All new gun owners should take a basics class, but mandatory training is simply a violation of the 2nd.

Plus, those that own firearms for the first time are kinda a self solving problem, given enough time.

[Boriqua]

Boriqua. As far as classes go I had thought something more like a maintenance and safety class? When I applied for my first deer tag I had to go through hunters safety. I find it interesting that made a statement concerning not teaching what mom or dad is supposed to. I was lucky to grow up in a family of avid gun owners and hunters. Some were not as lucky.

A persons parents or other guardians were supposed to teach young charges "common Sense" and a value system that works in a group. I wasn't about to teach employees to show up on time, how to work and what was expected when you had a job.

In the same way that new languages are more difficult to pick up as an adult .. new attitudes, behavior and yes Common sense are also harder to come by as a grown person.It happens .. but it usually comes with bruises and bad experience.

Having said that I will not assume that 99% of the people who choose to own guns lacks the necessary sense to own one and will not throw them under the bus for the 1% that might not and any institutionalized requirements just lead to a happy few making the rules for all and that can never happen in a "free" country.

[AZ_Five56]

There are several people that I know that have recently made gun purchases but I know these people should not own firearms.

Can you elaborate on why you don't think they should own a firearm?

[Wrenchman]

Boriqua I think that is probably the best answer I have heard so far. I think that I am equating this more to the younger generation. I have also made the statement that I think there should be a mandatory class were they teach kids how to change a flat tire or other basic auto stuff. Mandatory classes is something that I am not advocating for as a requirement to own a gun but I have just found myself pondering more and more about.

[Wrenchman]

Azfive56 I think most of us here have ran in to people that dont have the temperament or common sense. I have ran in to more than one of them at gun ranges. People that are careless, have little to no knowledge, even some that are reckless. It is those types of people that make me pose the mandatory class question.

[AZ_Five56]

Azfive56 I think most of us here have ran in to people that dont have the temperament or common sense. I have ran in to more than one of them at gun ranges. People that are careless, have little to no knowledge, even some that are reckless. It is those types of people that make me pose the mandatory class question.

I feel like I know enough reckless idiots that could pull it together enough to pass a mandatory class, and then go do stupid stuff once set free. I think most people's carelessness or little to no shooting knowledge can be made up for with good training, but making it mandatory could be a slippery slope.

Have you considered inviting these new gun owners that you know to go out shooting and show them the ropes? If you feel like they're too careless, perhaps starting training with an empty firearm at their house to get used to safe handling procedures and the does and don'ts. For a lot of new gun owners, they may not feel comfortable joining a class until they have some initial comfort with the firearm.

[knockonit]

lotsa good stuff here.
Rj

[Wrenchman]

Azfive56. I have invited them and many have went. First they thing I teach is safety and care before I take them. Several friends that have never owned a firearm have bought in the last year and have asked for help from me. I do what I can to help. My wife and are certified instructors for youth trap and skeet. So I teach and give as much knowledge as I can.

[AZ_Five56]

Azfive56. I have invited them and many have went. First they thing I teach is safety and care before I take them. Several friends that have never owned a firearm have bought in the last year and have asked for help from me. I do what I can to help. My wife and are certified instructors for youth trap and skeet. So I teach and give as much knowledge as I can.

That's great! Keep up the good work. I know for some, it comes naturally. Others need a lot more help.

[Wrenchman]

AZ1182 this is why your a moron. You still cant just get over the fact that there may be a gun owner who just doesnt have the exact same thoughts as you. You are as intolerant as any of the liberals. You have read all the posts and you can see that this is an honest and legitimate question. Are you going to attack every new member that comes here with questions? This is why so many gun owners stay off of pro 2A sites, because there is always some asshat like that immediately attacks them and makes baseless accusations that they "MUST" be working against you.

[Wrenchman]

Jager no anti gun threads here. Just posing an honest question. The media is a whole other monster that I have severe issues with. I guess the argument about classes for gun could be applied to the media also and several other groups. I am not advocating for mandatory classes, just been pondering it more and more.

[Wrenchman]

Az1182 as far as driving privileges your correct it is a privilege. Now, I made a post earlier that anyone who is concerned that I am a troll is more than welcome to contact me and I will gladly give you my FB and a number of people that will vouch for me. Those people being friends of NRA volunteers and 2 state representatives. The fact that you refuse to ask simple questions proves the the fact that you are unwilling to change any sort of free thought process. Your original post was a verbal attack on me for being a troll and a Bloomberg operative. You are just to stubborn and stupid to back track. That is why you are a moron.

[Boriqua]

That is why you are a moron.

This ^^^^^^is disconcerting.

While you are here ostensibly due to concern over the temperament, intelligence or common sense of new gun owners with whom you chose to associate and whether they should be required to pass some sort of government "mandated" selection (weeding) process for ownership ..

Well .. if I were on a selection committee and looking at traits to consider for disqualification ... Might be someone who cant control their anger in face of a rather gentle push back.

Someone who is easily frustrated and has to resort to name calling, insults and foot stomping during a pretty benign discussion might be considered a danger to himself or others.

If a post .. from an anonymous stranger on a social media platform which means very little to anyone outside of it can provoke you to spend the day screaming moron ... what happens when sh*T really goes down. Are you safe to own?

Have you had yourself evaluated for the "privilege" of gun ownership

[Wrenchman]

Boriqua if someone verbally attacks me and makes baseless accusations against my character with out even asking me one single question, they are a moron. There is no anger or malice from me to him. When I meet new people I always try to get some info from that person before making any determinations about that person. If someone says something that I may disagree with, my first action is not to belittle that person or impune his/her character. The fact is his first response was to do that to me. That is why he deserved the title of moron. Had he approached the subject the same as you or several other people that have replied to you this post, he would have been treated very differently. If your first action is to be blatantly disrespectful to someone for having a personal view different than yours then you kinda get what's coming you to. I believe we can all respect each other and have opposing views.

[smithers599]

Gun ownership is important, and requires great individual responsibility.
The same is true of being a parent. It's a tough job, and there are many cases every year of children being harmed by horrible parents. What classes and tests should the government require before granting a permit to have children?
Voting is important. What qualifications should an eligible voter have to show before being allowed to vote? Literacy? Property ownership? Military service? Those have been tried; didn't work out well.
I am not happy about some of the people I see having children, voting, and owning guns. But a right is a right. I accept that there will be many people exercising their rights who are unqualified (IMO) to do so. So be it.