SIG P320

[mtptwo]

I hope they got their legal fees covered by the prosecution.

[pneuby]

There's enought YouTubes on this to make a solid evening of it, unfortunately.
Definitive WTF starts at 1:10:

[xerts1191]

A bit of real journalism there, good report

[xerts1191]

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2024-06-21 ... in-damages
Jury finds Sig liable

[pneuby]

Synopsis from a blog I subscribe to:

SIG Loses Its First P320 Lawsuit: A federal jury has awarded $2.3 million to Robert Lang, a Georgia man, in a product liability case against gunmaker Sig Sauer, after he was shot by his own P320 pistol without allegedly pulling the trigger. The case marks the first time the New Hampshire-based firearms manufacturer has been found liable for a misfiring P320 pistol, which is the subject of multiple lawsuits claiming it has a design flaw that makes it prone to unintentional firing, New Hampshire Public Radio reports. Lang, a self-described lifelong gun enthusiast who said in court documents that he has “hundreds of hours behind the trigger,” sued Sig Sauer after being shot in the thigh by his P320 pistol in December 2018 while removing it from its holster. According to his complaint, the gun discharged before he could lift it off his belt. The jury found Sig Sauer negligent due to the design of the weapon, particularly its lack of a trigger safety. Despite the concerns raised by others in lawsuits, court records indicate that more than 2.5 million P320 pistols have been sold, making it one of the country’s most popular guns. Most of those P320 owners have never had an issue with their firearm. Sig Sauer announced plans to appeal the ruling, stating that the plaintiff did not meet the burden of proof to show the P320 was defectively or negligently designed. The company claims there is no evidence that Lang’s discharge was due to anything other than his own negligent handling causing him to pull the trigger. According to New Hampshire Public Radio, since 2018, Sig Sauer “has been sued dozens of times” from both civilians and law enforcement officers alleging a design flaw in the P320. Until this week’s verdict in Georgia, no cases had resulted in a finding of liability against the company, though two cases were settled out of court. In 2017, the news report notes, concerns about the P320’s risk of firing when dropped led Sig Sauer to initiate a voluntary upgrade of the gun, including changes to the trigger and striker. Despite these changes, the company maintains that the original design is safe. That same year, the U.S. Army adopted a version of the P320 as its official sidearm in a deal worth more than $500 million, with the Marine Corps, Air Force, and Navy also selecting the Sig Sauer pistol for use. The military’s version, known as the M17 and M18, features an external safety. (SIG garnered itself a poor reputation, seemingly stonewalling on the initial reports of the potential for dropped-gun discharges of the pre-M17 models of the P320. Note that, like Glock, rather than issue a recall, SIG offered a so-called “voluntary product upgrade,” allowing owners aware of the potential problem to return their P320 pistols for retrofitting to the M17/M18 configuration. I'm assured that SIG's popular P365 differs significantly from the P320 and is not vulnerable to the same issues.)

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/sig-s ... -own-p320/

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[Dauph]

[BigNate]

From downstream in that thread...

https://twitter.com/LysanderBoomer/stat ... wsrc%5Etfw

So... I guess this is going to get interesting...

[YNOTAZ]

Everyone that decides to DUMP their unsafe P320s, in celebration of 320-2025, I'm here for you, any P320 in working condition $200 no questions asked. Maybe more if it's really nice and has stuff with it.

(Except 40s, I don't like 40s.)

[samnev]

Maybe it's just me but I wouldn't the a P320 with an 11 foot pole. Unless it was free and wanted a safe queen.

[kenpoprofessor]

Honestly, I like the Legion X5, a lot. But, I don't own any other Sig pistols or rifles. I bought an Omega 12 semi auto shotgun for stupid cheap. Second time I had it at the range, I forgot to bring a magazine for it. So, I single loaded it, pointed it downrange, hit the bolt release, and BANG. Damn thing did it twice in a row. Now, I'd seen video of this shotgun with it doing that before I bought it, so I was well aware of the issue. Now, after cleaning and some gas port drilling, the thing runs like a champ and has many rounds through it without it misfiring. But..... I still am wary of it doing it again.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

[knockonit]

whaaaaaannn

[Jay Gee]

This guy does a real good job of explaining the design flaw

[QuietM4]

I’m so tired of this story. Buy one or don’t. Who cares. Plenty of firearms in history have had major design flaws. Remember the old Remington 700 triggers?

Sig just needs to man up and recall the affected guns, again, and move on. The longer they deny the issues the more they suffer in the court of public image.

[BigNate]

Sig just needs to man up and recall the affected guns, again, and move on. The longer they deny the issues the more they suffer in the court of public image.

This is the right answer IMHO - but it's not how many businesses operate these days.

The liars (lawyers) and risk management folks make a formula driven decision based on a bunch of factors including the cost of negative press associated with accepting that there is actually a defect - and far to often they decide that it's better to just deny the issue indefinitely.

We had the same thing happen with a nearly new (like less than a year old) high end LG clothes dryer. I came home one day and it was not in the laundry room as I walked in from the garage. Turns out my son drug it out of the house to the back yard because it was on fire. LG sent a "technician" out who looked at it and determined that the cause of the fire was "operator error" - that we must have not cleaned the lint screen often enough. My wife says: "I can't swear on a stack of bibles that I've cleaned it every time I put a load of laundry in the dryer - but I do it essentially every time... " That was enough for them... "the manual says 'every time...' it's on you." The argument that she's done laundry the same way for the last 40 years and this is the first dryer that's burst into flames... didn't seem to sway them. Turns out there is a class action suit out there because this is a common issue with that set of appliances from LG. I have no doubt that they know that they have an issue... and they are choosing to delay, deny, refuse to take responsibility because their liars (lawyers) tell them it's the best financial approach.

[Dauph]

Holster issue or…