So you are a Rifleman?

[QuangTri]

Looks similar but not identical. For anyone curious the USMC recently changed their qual course, its a lot more like action shooting now... which is more like combat shooting.

A good thing in my humble opinion, as long as long range shooting is not left out.
Afganistan proved that need.


The KD range was challenging, but good for the fundamentals. you could not score well without that.

Heck, I can barely get into a good prone these days.
Need a hoist to get me up from sitting or kneeling.
Getting old sucketh.

[azdover]

And it's all rimfire, right?

Seems like most people use 22LR due to cost, but I think you might be able to use centerfire also. In addition to their 25 meter qualification, their website mentions Known Distance shooting out to 400 yards and a pistol program too.

[BigNate]

Explain, please.
You print that page on an 8.5 x 11 piece of paper?
Use the top target for all shooting, and the little ones below are just stage descriptions? Or actual targets?
This is done with a rimfire rifle, right?

EDIT - Found a video of someone shooting it and explaining the scoring...

My read on it is this...
1 ) Meant to be shot with a rimfire rifle (I'd presume semi-auto - but who knows if they care)
2 ) Print it on 11X17 paper (AKA tabloid)
3 ) Set it at 25 yards
4 ) Sight in on the grid target in the upper right
5 ) Shoot the test
a ) Each stage of shooting is separated by the dotted lines with Stage 1 the big silhouette at the top... ending with Stage 4 the four smallest targets on the bottom.
b ) Track time for each stage.
c) Check and mark targets between each stage. Mark the score for each stage on the target. Values are doubled for stage 4 as the targets are smaller. I presume that the number of "V" hits should be recorded separately as a tie-breaker...

My 2 cents... if someone knows this process well and I'm wrong I'd like to be corrected - I'm planning to get out in the next few weeks to give this a try.

[BigNate]

is this supposed to simulate the military (USMC at least) KD qualification course?

No elevation adjustments needed, which are a large part of KD shooting.

Looks similar but not identical. For anyone curious the USMC recently changed their qual course, its a lot more like action shooting now... which is more like combat shooting.

I saw a video on this a while ago - and was glad to see that they are evolving... The course that I had to shoot to qualify in the 80s was "good" but the new qual process looks to be something much more aligned with the way the weapon will be used when fighting - and that is a good thing. Not a lot of trench warfare going on out there any more...

[smithers599]

Explain, please.
You print that page on an 8.5 x 11 piece of paper?
Use the top target for all shooting, and the little ones below are just stage descriptions? Or actual targets?
This is done with a rimfire rifle, right?

EDIT - Found a video of someone shooting it and explaining the scoring...

My read on it is this...
1 ) Meant to be shot with a rimfire rifle (I'd presume semi-auto - but who knows if they care)
2 ) Print it on 11X17 paper (AKA tabloid)
3 ) Set it at 25 yards
4 ) Sight in on the grid target in the upper right
5 ) Shoot the test
a ) Each stage of shooting is separated by the dotted lines with Stage 1 the big silhouette at the top... ending with Stage 4 the four smallest targets on the bottom.
b ) Track time for each stage.
c) Check and mark targets between each stage. Mark the score for each stage on the target. Values are doubled for stage 4 as the targets are smaller. I presume that the number of "V" hits should be recorded separately as a tie-breaker...

My 2 cents... if someone knows this process well and I'm wrong I'd like to be corrected - I'm planning to get out in the next few weeks to give this a try.

Thanks. Very helpful
That feller shoots purdy good!

[Kinked_Chrome]

Best way to test your general rifleman skills is to shoot the Black Rifle match at Rio Salado. Its the first Saturday of every month. 4-5 stages, 120sec par times and engagements from 0-500yds, sometimes all in the same stage!

[xerts1191]

[xerts1191]

Let’s talk body count riflemen

[Doc]

is this supposed to simulate the military (USMC at least) KD qualification course?

No elevation adjustments needed, which are a large part of KD shooting.

This course is more the beginning, first time shooting a rifle kind of class.

They go through and teach you to build a shooting position, standing/seated/kneeling. As each shooting position becomes more stable the target size shrinks.

You zero rifle then get in a LOT of reps building good foundational shooting skills. They prefer everyone to come ready to shoot but they wouldn’t have any problem getting a new shooter w all new gear set up. I bet they secretly love it.

classes have ample staff to walk the line and look for mistakes.

[QuangTri]

The idea of getting down into the classic shooting positions is painful to even think about.

Age takes a toll, and the toll keeps increasing.

[xerts1191]

Yes what Quang said

[kenpoprofessor]

The idea of getting down into the classic shooting positions is painful to even think about.

Age takes a toll, and the toll keeps increasing.

Like a Massachusetts toll bridge, yep.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

[QuangTri]

2 ) Print it on 11X17 paper (AKA tabloid)
3 ) Set it at 25 yards
4 ) Sight in on the grid target in the upper right
5 ) Shoot the test
a ) Each stage of shooting is separated by the dotted lines with Stage 1 the big silhouette at the top... ending with Stage 4 the four smallest targets on the bottom.
b ) Track time for each stage.
c) Check and mark targets between each stage. Mark the score for each stage on the target. Values are doubled for stage 4 as the targets are smaller. I presume that the number of "V" hits should be recorded separately as a tie-breaker...

My 2 cents... if someone knows this process well and I'm wrong I'd like to be corrected - I'm planning to get out in the next few weeks to give this a try.

Did some printing out to see how the targets scale if you print them full page 8.5x11.

Right about 0.65 reduction in size.

So you would need to shoot it at 25 yds X 0.65, or about 16 yds to be in rough target scale.

Works in my back yard with a .22 air rifle.

[Doc]

The idea of getting down into the classic shooting positions is painful to even think about.

Age takes a toll, and the toll keeps increasing.

Oh it gets worse. You start standing then get into seated or prone. And it’s timed.

But they tell a lot of great stories about men of all ages taking up muskets to fight.

I’m excited to attend the next shoot.

[Mako-72]

I guess if printed on 8.5x11(50% reduction from 11x17), one could shorten the distance shot to 41 feet, no? This would make it easy to shoot on a pistol range under 25 yards.

Edit- woops, didn’t see the above for 16 yds