Steve_In_29
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Seems our little snowflake just got triggered.17-21-23 said:
Reminds me of the turd formerly known as Ranger1
Your car is gonna tell on you...
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Reminds me of the turd formerly known as Ranger1
Not Ranger1. But after reading most of your posts. I can see why and how you have pissed off so many people. I'm just another pissed off person like most everyone else you have come into contact with.
Steve_In_29
Member
The only people I piss off are snowflakes and idiots.17-21-23 said:
And much like Ranger1 you seem to be making a career out of telling me how pissed off you are.
No you piss off everyone but yourself. They just don't have the balls to tell you. You piss off everyone you talk to. You just keep making enemies and you just can't help it. Now I'm sure Ranger1 was one of them. Now I'm one of them. I'm sure there's more.
Crippledtrigger
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Breathe. Lol.
Steve_In_29
Member
LOL "Everyone" huh?17-21-23 said:
What are you guys doing...having secret meetings where you all sit around bitching about how I piss you off?
As I said, the only people I piss off are snowflakes and idiots. Or apparently a combination of the two in some cases.
Ok fantasy land is open for business now..
Thread cleaned up. Take that as a hint. Next OT/attack post in here is going to result in a decently long time out from the site.
Steve_In_29
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With the newer phones I think they still can be tracked when turned off.
So essentially you'd have to have some malicious software code on your phone for this to happen.
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-the-location-of-turned-off-mobile-phones-can-still-be-tracked-if-the-battery-is-installed
According to a report from Washington Post, NSA is capable of tracking cell phones even when they are turned off. And this isn’t something new. As per the report, NSA has been using this technique, dubbed “The Find”, ever since September 2004. This technique was used in Iraq, and it helped identify “thousands of new targets, including members of a burgeoning al-Qaeda-sponsored insurgency in Iraq,” according to a special operation officer who was interviewed by Post.
How NSA can track turned off phones?
The Washington Post story doesn’t throw light on this. But the only way NSA could track switched off phones must be by infecting the handsets with Trojans. That would force the handsets to continue emitting a signal even if the phone is in standby mode unless the battery is removed. When the battery is removed, the compromised handset will not have a power source to emit the signals, and hence would fail to share its location details.
But infecting the phones to track its location isn’t something new. Back in 2006, CNET had reported how FBI had deployed spyware to infect suspects’ mobile phones and record data even when they were turned off. It’s quite plausible that NSA used similar techniques in Iraq, albeit on a larger scale.
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-the-location-of-turned-off-mobile-phones-can-still-be-tracked-if-the-battery-is-installed
According to a report from Washington Post, NSA is capable of tracking cell phones even when they are turned off. And this isn’t something new. As per the report, NSA has been using this technique, dubbed “The Find”, ever since September 2004. This technique was used in Iraq, and it helped identify “thousands of new targets, including members of a burgeoning al-Qaeda-sponsored insurgency in Iraq,” according to a special operation officer who was interviewed by Post.
How NSA can track turned off phones?
The Washington Post story doesn’t throw light on this. But the only way NSA could track switched off phones must be by infecting the handsets with Trojans. That would force the handsets to continue emitting a signal even if the phone is in standby mode unless the battery is removed. When the battery is removed, the compromised handset will not have a power source to emit the signals, and hence would fail to share its location details.
But infecting the phones to track its location isn’t something new. Back in 2006, CNET had reported how FBI had deployed spyware to infect suspects’ mobile phones and record data even when they were turned off. It’s quite plausible that NSA used similar techniques in Iraq, albeit on a larger scale.
Steve_In_29
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Also from what I understand, those who disable the phone home radio on newer cars will see their car still do so via wifi whenever it is in contact distance of another of the same brand of vehicle. It passes the info to the other vehicle which then uses its own radio to send it along to the manufacturer.
Hunter said:
CAN bus does not stand for "Communications Area Network."
It stands for "Controller Area Network."
What this is, is a high speed share communication bus between the different control modules in your car. It allows each module to share data (such as sensor data) using fewer wires, at a higher speed, and a common protocol. This system isn't anything new, was established in 1994, and mandatory in 2008.
The CAN bus is an internal system - the only way to access it is through the OBD port. However, modern cars that offer features such as smart phone control remotely - those are what people have been playing with and hacking cars. The dude with the 07 Ford need not worry about some kid in a basement hacking his car remotely.
I have a 2011 Ford SHO - this things has 20+ different modules and two different CAN busses. Also has in NAV and bluetooth. None of this can be hacked remotely, and it does not share any data with an outside source. My music app, yeah that probably shares my listening habits. Google Maps, yeah that probably shares my information - however it is all outlined in their terms. The car though, does not.
The stupidest thing I have seen though - is the people that actually buy the cell phone company "personal assistants" that plug into your car's OBD port, and the insurance company's little spy dongles that plug in. If you read the terms and fine print on these devices they explain how they are recording and selling your personalized data. It is super shady.
Every new car that has devices that allow communication with cell phones, bluetooth, and wifi etc - all have user agreements. If you are worried about these things - read them and see how they are using your data.
Doc Holliday
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87jeep said:
They wouldn't use your phone info alone to penalize your driving, since you could be a passenger...but your cars onboard gps, that's a different story, there's no denying your car was driven in that manner...and in this futuristic scenario, the state could say 'since you are the owner, you are responsible' and hit you with the fines...maybe even use your phone info to verify the car gps info...either way, the point is that too much technology can be a bad thing and a way to circumvent your Right to Privacy, which is already happening (hey Alexis, listen in to everything happening inside my house without a warrant)
Just unhook the radio antenna. Drop your phone into a faraday bag. Put it on airplane mode first. And have a great day.
Sorry, Controller Area Network. I have too many acronyms in my head. In the beginning, 1996 mandate, each manufacturer had it's own proprietary buss system with a federal mandate that diagnostic codes be standard. CAN was the first system mandated by the feds.paulgt2164 said:
If your Ford has Sync, it can be hacked remotely. This has been known for years. I think it was the Virgina State Police that tested their cop cars some 5 years ago and found it possible. They had Fords and Chevys My experience is mostly Chrysler and Mercedes Benz. Chrysler's Grand Cherokee made the news a few years back with a hack that disabled the brakes on national TV.
Steve's 07 needs something plugged in to hack it, but it can be done fairly easy. But if your vehicle has On Star, UConnect, Sync, K Link or any other type of wireless connectabiliy, it can be hacked remotely with no add on hardware. This has been proven a lot of times and ways. Remember the commercials for Chevys On Star unlocking doors? How long ago was that, 10 years?
My Sync is the old one, IE - has to be directly connected to be hacked. It isn't the newer with the remote phone app / wifi connectivity.
Two dudes wrote a pretty good paper on this whole subject, and what were the easiest ones to hack. Here is the link to it : http://illmatics.com/remote%20attack%20surfaces.pdf - These are the guys who performed the brakes on the Grand Cherokee (and they still had to physically access the car, and install some exploits in the software...)
Your average to quite advanced basement dwelling jolt-swilling computer nerd isn't anywhere near capable of remote hacking your car when driving by. The two dudes who wrote the paper I linked - and basically their efforts are the most published/indepth/only efforts required an enormous amount of time, reverse engineering, and physical accesss to do.
OnStar has been around for how long? - and yet there isn't a single example of it being hacked outside of a controlled situation. I am not saying it isn't possible - I am just saying it is ridiculously unlikely.
Personally - I am not too worried about driving to the home depot and someone hacking my car on the way and sending me into the shrubbery yet. Someone with the skill level, equipment, and knowledge to hack into a car isn't going to be looking for disabling your brake pedal, or making your air conditioner turn off - they want something more valuable, like personal info.
Wide scale attack on vehicles (say a terrorist attack or similar) isn't time/cost effective due to the amount of different systems, and how often the security protocols are updated - something like an EMP would be much cheaper, easier, and effective than having several hundred or more highly trained computer hackers trying to exploit thousands of cars at once. The CIA came under a bit of fire a few years back when it was learned they were trying to hack cars - but out of the nearly 9k pages of documents released it would seem they either were unsuccessful or most likely - it didn't make sense on a time/effort/goal level.
The much more nefarious and likely scenarios is the usage of stored and personal information about driving routes, habits, and information shared between phones and infotainments (contacts, call history, internet usage, etc.) All this information can be shared and stored between your infotainment and your phone (or tablet, computer, refrigerator, etc.) Sad thing is, no matter how much security the OEMs implement I am willing to bet third party dongles like those from insurance companies, cell companies, and scanner/diag apps will always remain accessible. IMO - the personal data is the real treasure trove to both shady companies collecting it and selling it legally because no one reads user agreements, or to hackers who want your personal information for whatever purpose.
But who knows, with the advent of self-driving cars, more common electric cars, and autonomous systems - maybe cars will start ending up in shrubberies more often.
Two dudes wrote a pretty good paper on this whole subject, and what were the easiest ones to hack. Here is the link to it : http://illmatics.com/remote%20attack%20surfaces.pdf - These are the guys who performed the brakes on the Grand Cherokee (and they still had to physically access the car, and install some exploits in the software...)
Your average to quite advanced basement dwelling jolt-swilling computer nerd isn't anywhere near capable of remote hacking your car when driving by. The two dudes who wrote the paper I linked - and basically their efforts are the most published/indepth/only efforts required an enormous amount of time, reverse engineering, and physical accesss to do.
OnStar has been around for how long? - and yet there isn't a single example of it being hacked outside of a controlled situation. I am not saying it isn't possible - I am just saying it is ridiculously unlikely.
Personally - I am not too worried about driving to the home depot and someone hacking my car on the way and sending me into the shrubbery yet. Someone with the skill level, equipment, and knowledge to hack into a car isn't going to be looking for disabling your brake pedal, or making your air conditioner turn off - they want something more valuable, like personal info.
Wide scale attack on vehicles (say a terrorist attack or similar) isn't time/cost effective due to the amount of different systems, and how often the security protocols are updated - something like an EMP would be much cheaper, easier, and effective than having several hundred or more highly trained computer hackers trying to exploit thousands of cars at once. The CIA came under a bit of fire a few years back when it was learned they were trying to hack cars - but out of the nearly 9k pages of documents released it would seem they either were unsuccessful or most likely - it didn't make sense on a time/effort/goal level.
The much more nefarious and likely scenarios is the usage of stored and personal information about driving routes, habits, and information shared between phones and infotainments (contacts, call history, internet usage, etc.) All this information can be shared and stored between your infotainment and your phone (or tablet, computer, refrigerator, etc.) Sad thing is, no matter how much security the OEMs implement I am willing to bet third party dongles like those from insurance companies, cell companies, and scanner/diag apps will always remain accessible. IMO - the personal data is the real treasure trove to both shady companies collecting it and selling it legally because no one reads user agreements, or to hackers who want your personal information for whatever purpose.
But who knows, with the advent of self-driving cars, more common electric cars, and autonomous systems - maybe cars will start ending up in shrubberies more often.
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