You-Tuber gets a visit from ATF!
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Wow that must have sucked!!!!
Being florida I bet they thought he was sending guns north. Only reason they targeted the cheap stuff. Trunk bought guns in NYC go at a premium so rolling cheap guns there is a boon for someone willing to break the law and do time if caught.
Being florida I bet they thought he was sending guns north. Only reason they targeted the cheap stuff. Trunk bought guns in NYC go at a premium so rolling cheap guns there is a boon for someone willing to break the law and do time if caught.
cool arrow
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this would also make selling or transferring your firearms illegal if you made a profit, as they would be considered currency under what his letter states
this doesn't set a good precedent for gun owners
this doesn't set a good precedent for gun owners
To which I would add:QuietM4 said:
3. Never let any .gov agent into your home.
4. Don't answer questions without an attorney present.
Boriqua said:
There is no such federal rule or law. You can buy as many firearms as you wish, in whatever time period.
An FFL is required to notify ATF/Local LEO of any multiple (more than 1) handgun purchase by the same person within a 5 day period (same with semi-auto rifles over 22lr if you live in a border state), but that is it.
Now, if you showed up to buy 30 Glock 19's, yeah...that's odd. But nothing illegal about it....until you get caught selling them for profit. However, the ATF has never put a hard # on it...other than to say "...the repetitive purchase of firearms for the purpose of resale for livelihood and profit without a Federal Firearms License is a violation of Federal law" (18 USC 922(a)(1)). This is what you sign your name to on a 4473.
In the instruction for the 4473, it further states, "A license is not required of a person who only makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells part of his/her personal collection of firearms."
ATF agents regularly make up rules as the go along...nothing new.
Harrier
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I once knew a guy back in the 90's (I think it was before the multi-gun rule) that got a good deal on several S&W M-10's at a pawn shop IIRC, a short time later a couple of "the boys" showed up at his house wanting to see if he still had them-they had the S/N's... he let them wait outside while he rounded them up for the show and tell.
Suck My Glock
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So if I heard this guy right,...he bought a several RG Rohm cheap-azz revolvers, and this was what the ATF found interesting. Well, yeah! Who the hell buys several of them in their lifetime, much less within a year? I owned ONE decades ago and still feel icky about it. Got rid of it rather immediately. Can't see myself ever buying another. Not even as a throw away.
Yet this guy is SURPRISED when ATF finds it suspicious?
I'd find it suspicious if ATF didn't find it suspicious.
Yet this guy is SURPRISED when ATF finds it suspicious?
I'd find it suspicious if ATF didn't find it suspicious.
Crippledtrigger
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People can never just shut up.
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This proves there is psuedo registration already.
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This proves there is psuedo registration already.
Worst collection in the world, but to each his own. At least hes organized. I would have a hard time finding anything to show them.... Does make you think. I almost never sell anything and when i buy it its usually forever. They definitely have a dossier on many people and just wait till its time to use it.
The FFL I use does it on the side. He got audited buy the ATF last year.
Apparently my name, and number of transactions, comprised of a good deal of their time together... LOL
Apparently my name, and number of transactions, comprised of a good deal of their time together... LOL
Boriqua said:
My Dad once heard that Ruger quit making the 3 screw Single Actions and that Colt was stopping production of the .22LR/.22WMR New Frontier and Peacemaker revolvers, so he went to every gun store in town and bought every one of these that they had.
He bought 27 handguns that day, then called me up and said he was waiting for the Feds to pounce on him while laughing his butt off. They never did call on him and I've got a few of those guns today.
So what is the definition of "occasional" when selling a firearm? Seem the whole ATF vernacular/jargon is vague at best to allow for these types of fishing expedition and "subjective" interpretation and enforcement.
What does the ATF define as occasional? Selling one or two a year to buy some new firearms to work with and cycle through your collection?
The ATF and gun control nuts will never be happy with every single transaction being tracked and on paper. They will only rest when the 2A is stricken from the constitution, and the peasants are disarmed.
What does the ATF define as occasional? Selling one or two a year to buy some new firearms to work with and cycle through your collection?
The ATF and gun control nuts will never be happy with every single transaction being tracked and on paper. They will only rest when the 2A is stricken from the constitution, and the peasants are disarmed.
vtachrn said:
It's not a coincidence that they use vague language, it's done on purpose. It allows agents and prosecutors to bend the law to fit their narrative of a supposed "crime". I'm sure the majority of people on this board have sold more than 3 firearms this year. Is the limit 4 per year? 5? 10?
etprescottaz01
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Boriqua said:
When a person buys five handguns or more at once the dealer is required to notify ATF on a separate form. This could defiantly red flag a person as a kitchen table dealer.
etprescottaz01 said:
Not to nitpick, but it's more than 1 handgun within a 5 day period (Form 3310.4). Also, since we are a border state, more than 1 semi-automatic rifle greater than 22lr in a 5 day period (Form 3310.12).
Of course, if you have a CCW, you could visit 20 gun shops in one day, purchase 1 firearm from each, and no one would ever know.
redj
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I don't know anything about this guy , but he sure likes to collect a lot of junk.
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