Suck My Glock
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Yep,...no electric vehicles for me ever, thanks.
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That guy probably has a cup holder full of crayon wrappers. F'n tard.
campinginaz
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I think it's all about what you are going to use an EV for. I don't have one but I know two people that do. One has a Tesla and he has drove it from AZ to TX a couple of times, he said the cost is still cheaper than gas and it does not take long to charge. He has kids so they have to stop and use the restroom etc. and he said they charge for 30 minutes and keep going. I know someone else who has a Kia or Hyundai EV and he spends less on the expensive car payment that he did for his old car payment plus gas driving an hour + each way.
EV's are not for everyone. I wouldn't have one as a sole vehicle personally but if you have more than one vehicle I don't see why not. Prices may get cheaper for EV's as more car manufacturers are starting to make them.
I think the biggest thing for most people is monthly cost. If you can save hundreds of dollars per month on an EV vs. a gas vehicle and the price of gas then go for it.
EV's are not for everyone. I wouldn't have one as a sole vehicle personally but if you have more than one vehicle I don't see why not. Prices may get cheaper for EV's as more car manufacturers are starting to make them.
I think the biggest thing for most people is monthly cost. If you can save hundreds of dollars per month on an EV vs. a gas vehicle and the price of gas then go for it.
There isn't anything wrong with EVs.....
I built high end customs and hot-rods for nearly two decades. I love big blocks, blowers, race fuel, etc. Been to Bonneville, been autocrossing, drag racing, etc for nearly 3 decades. My internal combustion credentials are rock solid.
That being said, what is a real shame is when people can't use the squishy grey material in-between their ears to figure out the cars aren't the issue. The politics are. This is yet another (which is why many people should know this...) example of politicians latching on to something to use as a pandering point/platform and as a result has completely ruined something that is actually completely fine.
When I am up for a new around town car - probably going to be electric. I have driven quite a few at this point (not a fan of Teslas - but actually really liked the horribly named Mustang Mach-E.) It will make a perfectly acceptable commuting appliance.
I always laugh at the headlines "Electric car caught on fire in garage" and the people who freak out over it. I have seen hundreds of gasoline car fires over the years. So if you are one of the "aLL 'lEtriC cArS bAd" people - ask yourself - is it really the cars you dislike, or the politics. Electric cars were a viable thing since the early 1900s - so is it really the product or the b.s. politics and agenda you hate? Big surprise - politicians and B.S. agenda get involved and things go sideways for no reason.
The same media & politicians aren't talking about what will "save" the internal combustion engines. "E-Fuels" or basically zero carbon footprint synthetic fuels are a thing. Not only are the a thing - they are a big thing. They are drop-in replacement for gas/diesel and can use the existing supply chain. The process pulls C02 right outta the atmosphere as part of the manufacturing. Porsche has been working with a manufacturer out of Chile for years about it. Mazda has been racing cars with it (Porsche as well.) Formula 1 is going to it. BP and Exxon both are heavily invested / already manufacturing it for testing. There are no fewer than 6 large companies producing the stuff. In Europe - magazines like Evo have been testing it with great results. Why haven't you heard of this? Cause politics and agenda here in the US.
I built high end customs and hot-rods for nearly two decades. I love big blocks, blowers, race fuel, etc. Been to Bonneville, been autocrossing, drag racing, etc for nearly 3 decades. My internal combustion credentials are rock solid.
That being said, what is a real shame is when people can't use the squishy grey material in-between their ears to figure out the cars aren't the issue. The politics are. This is yet another (which is why many people should know this...) example of politicians latching on to something to use as a pandering point/platform and as a result has completely ruined something that is actually completely fine.
When I am up for a new around town car - probably going to be electric. I have driven quite a few at this point (not a fan of Teslas - but actually really liked the horribly named Mustang Mach-E.) It will make a perfectly acceptable commuting appliance.
I always laugh at the headlines "Electric car caught on fire in garage" and the people who freak out over it. I have seen hundreds of gasoline car fires over the years. So if you are one of the "aLL 'lEtriC cArS bAd" people - ask yourself - is it really the cars you dislike, or the politics. Electric cars were a viable thing since the early 1900s - so is it really the product or the b.s. politics and agenda you hate? Big surprise - politicians and B.S. agenda get involved and things go sideways for no reason.
The same media & politicians aren't talking about what will "save" the internal combustion engines. "E-Fuels" or basically zero carbon footprint synthetic fuels are a thing. Not only are the a thing - they are a big thing. They are drop-in replacement for gas/diesel and can use the existing supply chain. The process pulls C02 right outta the atmosphere as part of the manufacturing. Porsche has been working with a manufacturer out of Chile for years about it. Mazda has been racing cars with it (Porsche as well.) Formula 1 is going to it. BP and Exxon both are heavily invested / already manufacturing it for testing. There are no fewer than 6 large companies producing the stuff. In Europe - magazines like Evo have been testing it with great results. Why haven't you heard of this? Cause politics and agenda here in the US.
EV's are horrible for road trips. Their mileage ratings are based on city driving...where you constantly have to brake for traffic, which regenerates electricity. On a long road trip, you hardly ever brake...so nothing is gained through regeneration. You can't tow anything...or load up the truck bed with stuff...all weight added affects range. If you commuted less than 1 hour to work every day in traffic, I can see the benefits.
Tesla's have it the easiest...15 years worth of charging infrastructure is already in place. You can fast charge your way across the entire country, if you plan your route carefully. Can't do that with any other EV brand.
I read a statistic recently that said a Tesla owner has to drive the car for 170,000 miles before it becomes truly "carbon neutral". Most people don't drive gas powered cars that long...I can't imagine a Tesla owner ever keeping one car long enough to reach anywhere near 170,000 miles.
Tesla's have it the easiest...15 years worth of charging infrastructure is already in place. You can fast charge your way across the entire country, if you plan your route carefully. Can't do that with any other EV brand.
I read a statistic recently that said a Tesla owner has to drive the car for 170,000 miles before it becomes truly "carbon neutral". Most people don't drive gas powered cars that long...I can't imagine a Tesla owner ever keeping one car long enough to reach anywhere near 170,000 miles.
iammaxwell
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For in-town stuff/commuter sure, if you can justify an extra vehicle just for that purpose...
For road tripping, off roading, cross country vacation, trucks/working vehicles, etc. definitely not.
For road tripping, off roading, cross country vacation, trucks/working vehicles, etc. definitely not.
"Electric cars were a viable thing since the early 1900s ..."
True, but they fell by the wayside to a superior product - the Internal Combustion Engine.
The big problem is big gov. is trying to cram electric vehicles down our throats and halt production of and eventually ban ICE vehicles over a non-existant climate emergency.
Sitting down to a nice steak dinner is quite enjoyable, but having two govt. thugs hold you down while a third forces the steak dinner down your throat with a wooden dowel is definitely not.
And let's not forget our electric infrastructure. Every house with a fast-charger? Not without a trillion bucks to completely upgrade our electric Infrastructure.
And what if you live in an apt.? Are the complex owners going to install fast-chargers for everyone? I think not.
Oh, let's not forget, CA can barely keep the lights on now so add in millions of electric cars!
This whole thing is a bad, bad joke and people need to refuse to comply.
True, but they fell by the wayside to a superior product - the Internal Combustion Engine.
The big problem is big gov. is trying to cram electric vehicles down our throats and halt production of and eventually ban ICE vehicles over a non-existant climate emergency.
Sitting down to a nice steak dinner is quite enjoyable, but having two govt. thugs hold you down while a third forces the steak dinner down your throat with a wooden dowel is definitely not.
And let's not forget our electric infrastructure. Every house with a fast-charger? Not without a trillion bucks to completely upgrade our electric Infrastructure.
And what if you live in an apt.? Are the complex owners going to install fast-chargers for everyone? I think not.
Oh, let's not forget, CA can barely keep the lights on now so add in millions of electric cars!
This whole thing is a bad, bad joke and people need to refuse to comply.
baja said:
Yes, ICE was better in the early 1900s. But now - for in town usage the advantage is about equal. Technology progresses. EVs are here to stay - they aren't going anywhere and it is for a good reason, they work great for people who don't need 350+ miles of range all the time.
baja said:
Exactly my point. And by doing so, and the people believing that EV cars are better for the environment (we know they aren't) they have caused mass adoption prematurely causing :
baja said:
If the agenda wasn't to scare people into adoption of EVs as fast as possible - there would be more time for the infrastructure to be developed and these wouldn't be problems. But here we are, cause people think politicians know best. Like I said in my post, the media/politicians don't even acknowledge the real solution - the synthetic fuels that already exist and are the future for ICE :
https://insider.hagerty.com/trends/are-e-fuels-the-next-big-thing-or-a-just-a-drop-in-the-bucket/
https://www.reuters.com/business/au...-can-they-help-make-cars-co2-free-2023-03-07/
https://www.autoweek.com/news/technology/a43756208/efuel-production-coming-to-texas/
baja said:
The politics are bad and a joke, sure. The cars are fine. In all fairness - dude in the first post's article is a moron for way more than buying a EV. I have a few friends who own EVs and have done trips. It is more planning and takes longer obviously - but it does fine.
IF the EPA and other enviro Fuqs really cared they would ditch all the BS emissions on diesel engines. How does using 50% more fuel make an engine "cleaner"?
Want to make a hybrid that REALLY makes sense? Pre-BS small diesel, like in the the VW that got all the bad press. That ride would easily get over 100mpg.
Want to make a hybrid that REALLY makes sense? Pre-BS small diesel, like in the the VW that got all the bad press. That ride would easily get over 100mpg.
Big Al
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Here where I live, our local dealers do not have the mechanics who even know how to work on them. I was looking atone of the used Highlanders that was gas and battery. I was considering it till I asked the salesman how much does the battery last and cost. He said about 8 to 10 years and maybe $800. The used highlander was already 5 years old. I went and talked to my mechanic, he told me to call TOYOTA Service and ask the replacement cost parts and labor. So I called and told them I had one and I think I need a new battery. Well it could be as low as $8,000.00. Glad I talked to my mechanic! No THANKS is this was not just a EV only. NOPE not for me either a dual fuel or all electric!
SupportTheSecond
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Once solid state batteries become the norm I will take another look at them. Until then nope.
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