Why are all safes coming with the electronic keypads?

[Cubiclerevolt]

I seriously do not want that garbage.

Why do they keep offering these with safes?

I'm completely happy with the high school gym locker combination method of security.

 

[AZ_Five56]

I hear you. I've been looking around at safes, and pretty much everything has an electronic keypad. I was considering picking up an older used safe myself.

 

[Ballistic Therapy]

My guess would be , because it is cheaper to make.

 

[Harrier]

I've been researching safes too... Like many I decided I want the reliability of a dial but the convenience of digital is hard to ignore. There are plenty of safes that come with a dial and some offer it as an 'upgrade' option (excuse to charge extra). The dial with a key override may be the best option. You can also get a dual lock with digital and dial/key fail-safe all in one unit (Securam Safelogic/Prologic Extreme models).

They say an electronic lock will fail in about 3~5 years but my Cannon has been going 15 (daily use) without any issues and I only changed the battery twice. (While standing on my head both times :clap: ).

Don't buy anything in a big box store with a no-name Chinese lock- and I read on the internet that even the new SecRam and S&G digital locks are made in China, supposedly to better specs. So far the best digital are supposed to be LaGard and AmSec.

I've tried to find verification that there are electronic devices in the hands of our overseers that can either lock you out or open at will an electronic lock... in this digital age I don't doubt its possible but would like hard facts to confirm it and then it may only affect certain models after a particular date.

Finding an older safe is not that easy... any safe graveyards you know about?

 

[knockonit]

i've got both, disadvantage to both, haven't had any issue other than battery failure, i forget to change them, but its only a minor problem as far as i'm concerned. on tumblers i run them all way up to last number to turn to, easy and fast to get into. Problem is remembering combinations.

 

[superdrag67]

I'd guess it has just as much to do with customer demand as cost. The majority of people probably want the convenience of a digital lock.

Sure, they have a higher failure rate than mechanical but is it really enough to worry about it? You can play the game and say "it'll fail when you need it most" but odds of you needing to get into your safe for a gun in a time of need and having it fail on you is pretty much non-existent. If I were stuck in a position of needing to get into my safe under duress i'd probably fudge the mechanical lock combo at least once. Hell I did it all the time just getting into it normally.

 

[Harrier]

IMO the issue with a digital lock failure is the cost to have the safe drilled and repaired after the lock is replaced. I have no need to get into the safe under duress.

 

[Flash]

IMO the issue with a digital lock failure is the cost to have the safe drilled and repaired after the lock is replaced. I have no need to get into the safe under duress.

Nope. Just have a couple of guns out while you're in the house and you're set.

 

[Harrier]

That's what I was alluding to...

 

[Flash]

I know. That's why I quoted you. I was giving you credit for the thought.

 

[Harrier]

duh! :confusion-shrug:

 

[Crippledtrigger]

Not that I'm a tin foil black helo conspiracy theorist, I heard that chi com locks can all be disabled at once incase of invasion.

While I wouldn't put it past the ccp to require Chinese companies to include such a fail safe as God knows all the other chicom shit that collects intelligence or can be hacked, it's a stupid idea.

Just thought I'd add a chuckle to the conversation.

 

[TacMedic]

Why hack? EMP accomplishes the same thing...no? I like the old style or key access.

 

[Cubiclerevolt]

Yeah unless there is a key to use in the event of the safe not opening then I don't mind the electronic keypad.

It's good to see I am thinking of other things as well. That posters are pointing out.

I wouldn't secure all my guns in there anyways as for the same reasons above. Just need to keep out the smash and grabbers and the keeping up of appearances of any overzealous social worker making a house call due to potential family court nonsense.

 

[GunNut]

Simple - when they fail, you have NO access to firearms EXACTLY as the libtards want it
Don't think they won't buy up ALL the manufactures and pre=program them to fail. lock, give any type of issue to BLOCK you from access

As said keep several ready to go outside the safe, IN SAFE are collector pieces, extras etc......

 

[338lapua]

Not that I'm a tin foil black helo conspiracy theorist, I heard that chi com locks can all be disabled at once incase of invasion.

While I wouldn't put it past the ccp to require Chinese companies to include such a fail safe as God knows all the other chicom s*** that collects intelligence or can be hacked, it's a stupid idea.

Just thought I'd add a chuckle to the conversation.

Not just that but some police agencies have devices to jam electronic safes if they are doing a entry. As most people are not like me with a gun in every room and two spare mags and multiple rifles in my bedroom they would be screwed if they had to open their electronic safes during a entry. If police can jam your cellphones during a entry they can lock your safe remotely.

There was a safe sale at a big outdoor store years ago and the company rep told me I was full of shit and no such device existed. A friend went with me and he had such a device with him and I proceeded to berate the rep as all his digital safes were locked down. Then the safes opened again and then he was locked out again. Shook up about 50 people there looking at safes and I was asked to leave. There are also devices that can open ANY digital safe as well after removing the wires from the lock and use the proper adapter for the lock and you are in. Thieves also have had boxes built to open or jam a electronic lock. This is WHY they push them so much. S&G combination locks are damn near the same price as the digital key pad locks.

 

[Eleroo]

At least one major safe manufacturer offers a dual lock system with a mechanical lock and an electrical lock. It gives you the speed of the electrical lock, but has a redundant mechanical lock incase it fails. Kind of pricy, but that is the only way I would have an electronic lock.

 

[338lapua]

At least one major safe manufacturer offers a dual lock system with a mechanical lock and an electrical lock. It gives you the speed of the electrical lock, but has a redundant mechanical lock incase it fails. Kind of pricy, but that is the only way I would have an electronic lock.

I wouldn't buy into ANY kind of electronic lock on a safe or on a building.

 

[Eleroo]

Yeah, a mechanical lock is the best option. Just saying if one MUST have an electronic, the dual redundant system is the only way as far as I am concerned.

 

[azman]

I had a Liberty that had the S&G combo dial, which could be "day locked" with key locking the dial. Awsome set-up that seemed pretty reliable.
Unfortunately I sold it when we moved across state, not wanting to add moving it into the mix.
Now I have another Liberty with the S&G electronic key pad, and it took a 4th try to get in this morning... it's been acting up like that for a while, but never 4 tries. I'm getting concerned it will leave me locked out at some point.It is over a decade old though.
I also have a high end "Stack On" that has a electronic pad, but also back-up keyed.... it is very smooth - never an issue.
I was told by a salesman once that a "quality" electronic keypad doesn't need a back-up key... that the reliability doesn't warrant it. I say BS and will never buy another electronic without a back-up key.