Thoughts

[xerts1911]

Sh!tcago, maybe it was just an equalizer, odds are stacked against the guy regardless

 

[WyattBurp]

The native americans named it Chi Ca go which means bad smell or stinky skunk for good reason.

 

[Suck My Glock]

Probably like the rest of you, I watched this guy's handling of the shotgun carefully to see if he seemed like he was there to use it or just couldn't leave it anywhere else and HAD to keep hold of it.

To me, it did seem he was careful to not hold it in a threatening manner, and in fact, like when he held in downward by the butt plate with both hands, seemed trying to tell with his body language "I don't have this here to harm you."

But it only seemed to me like that because I'm an experienced gun handler and notice such minor details. The average non-gun-person wouldn't know or care.

But there's also a lot of other details we just don't know that may weigh in on this.

 

[Joe_Blacke]

Probably like the rest of you, I watched this guy's handling of the shotgun carefully to see if he seemed like he was there to use it or just couldn't leave it anywhere else and HAD to keep hold of it.

To me, it did seem he was careful to not hold it in a threatening manner, and in fact, like when he held in downward by the butt plate with both hands, seemed trying to tell with his body language "I don't have this here to harm you."

But it only seemed to me like that because I'm an experienced gun handler and notice such minor details. The average non-gun-person wouldn't know or care.

But there's also a lot of other details we just don't know that may weigh in on this.

He arrived in a car, so he didn’t need to bring it inside. He chose to do so.

It looked more to me like he was trying to conceal it from the store employee. Easier to get the drop on him that way.

If he needed to carry it inside, he should have a better reason than “I’m from Chicago.”

 

[WyattBurp]

He didn't draw down on the employee because the employee drew down on him. Would you raise a shotgun while someone has a bead on you? I wouldn't unless your looking for suicide by 7-11. I'm sure he was just there to sell girl scout cookies because he said " I have a big MF'n gun and I'm not from around here". Why would you say that unless your up to no good?

 

[Suck My Glock]

He didn't draw down on the employee because the employee drew down on him. Would you raise a shotgun while someone has a bead on you? I wouldn't unless your looking for suicide by 7-11. I'm sure he was just there to sell girl scout cookies because he said " I have a big MF'n gun and I'm not from around here". Why would you say that unless your up to no good?

I had to go and read the article just now, and yes, it does mention the clerk drew on him first. I didn't see that in the video (clerk was out of frame). That changes my analysis of the shotgun dude's demeanor entirely. In my estimation, he was entirely too calm and nonplussed about getting drawn down on. (But then again, he's from Chicago, right. So maybe he's used to it.)

But Boriqua's question still holds. At least under Az. law, while stupid, he didn't cross the threshold of burglary. And yet, if I were that clerk, I would have drawn down on him too.