Road Rage, gun vs knife

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The dude with the knife was arrested. The biker who pulled the gun was not charged with any crime. Palm Coast resident 50 year-old Rafael Vincent Rivera is being held without bond and is facing a charge of Aggravated Assault with a Deadly Weapon without Intent to Kill.
 
I gotta give it to the biker dude. He kept his composure. Even holstered back the gun. Good thing it was recorded or it would have gone the other way. I would not have been as patient with a person waving a knife in my face especially when I have family around.
 
The biker was in the right, but dang, dudes need to get ahold of their women and tell them to shut the heck up. I've seen so many of these things go sideways because an overzealous bizzo couldn't control her emotions or her yap.
 
Jack Dupp said:
The biker was in the right, but dang, dudes need to get ahold of their women and tell them to shut the heck up. I've seen so many of these things go sideways because an overzealous bizzo couldn't control her emotions or her yap.
I was thinking the very same thing...
 
The biker differently kept a cool head. Unlike the idiot with the knife. Didn't unholster his gun until after he was actually threatened with the knife. Now he needs to teach his lady how to keep her cool.
 
I would have drawn my Glock 29 the moment the fool
drew his knife, and if he advanced on me I would have
shot him in the chest. The women is the other fool in
this scene, and the "biker" should send her packing.
 
no doubt the biker saved his own life, and pocessions from the blood sucking lawyers if'n hed capped the mother fudger, and yeah the girl friend needs an education
 
knockonit said:
no doubt the biker saved his own life, and pocessions from the blood sucking lawyers if'n hed capped the mother fudger,

So true .. Not being a lawyer .. it looked like the only place he might have had an unquestionable "GOOD" shoot was when T shirt guy leapt forward with the pseudo slash. Before that, T shirt guy was just making noise and after that he was on his heals .. Each of those times its left up to a Jury to decide and things get sketchy while the lawyer collects your life savings and then some.

My first wife was a loud mouth Fiery TINY latina. She would start stuff all the time. Me like a young dumb schmuck would get all chivalrous in her defense. One day I had enough and told her .. " I can get in to my own trouble. I dont need you to get me into any. The next time you front some guy I hope you can handle it because I am going to sit back and watch as he punches you in the face." Sounds harsh I know but .. she backed off being an idiot shooting off her mouth every time we went out ... well .. at least by about 50% :lol:

She was still a loud mouth fiery tiny latina so its like training a chihuahua .. your only gonna get so much training in .. it still yaps and nips
 
1. We have no idea what was occurring BEFORE the video started to roll. There are any number of reasons the man in the white T-shirt could have justifiably felt the need to pull a knife. Particularly since the biker was twice his size, the biker had a less than calm female companion who just MIGHT have been a threat in her own right, and let’s face it-a man dressed like a “biker” looks somewhat more intimidating than a Mormon missionary who just dismounted from his Schwinn.

2. There are numerous ways to survive a confrontation. One of them is disengaging and walking/backing away. But it’s not very glamorous and you’ll never see John Wick or Inspector Harry Callahan do it. The tactiCOOL bellicose bumpersticker culture is simply centered around kinetic solutions to threat situations. Fr’instance schools constantly have scenarios where they demand students student to engage six or more “threats” in a run without allowing them to make the judgement call, “Is this really the best way for to survive?” I have trained at some very highly regarded shooting schools and training academies and not one even addressed assessing the situation and tactically disengaging from the incident. Why? Cuz’ it ain’t macho and students came to shoot targets not to back away from them.

3. Let’s say the man in the white T-shirt was completely in the wrong. The biker exercised poor tactical awareness/judgement for not increasing the distance between them.
 
That Guy said:
1. We have no idea what was occurring BEFORE the video started to roll. There are any number of reasons the man in the white T-shirt could have justifiably felt the need to pull a knife. Particularly since the biker was twice his size, the biker had a less than calm female companion who just MIGHT have been a threat in her own right, and let’s face it-a man dressed like a “biker” looks somewhat more intimidating than a Mormon missionary who just dismounted from his Schwinn.

2. There are numerous ways to survive a confrontation. One of them is disengaging and walking/backing away. But it’s not very glamorous and you’ll never see John Wick or Inspector Harry Callahan do it. The tactiCOOL bellicose bumpersticker culture is simply centered around kinetic solutions to threat situations. Fr’instance schools constantly have scenarios where they demand students student to engage six or more “threats” in a run without allowing them to make the judgement call, “Is this really the best way for to survive?” I have trained at some very highly regarded shooting schools and training academies and not one even addressed assessing the situation and tactically disengaging from the incident. Why? Cuz’ it ain’t macho and students came to shoot targets not to back away from them.

3. Let’s say the man in the white T-shirt was completely in the wrong. The biker exercised poor tactical awareness/judgement for not increasing the distance between them.

The only thing I can possibly agree with ... without seeing any more of the video .. is that the Guy with the bike maybe could have done more to deescalate. However we dont know what transpired before the video started.

Sorry the rest of your post is garbage.

let’s face it-a man dressed like a “biker” looks somewhat more intimidating than a Mormon missionary who just dismounted from his Schwinn.

So the tee shirt guy is justified in drawing a weapon and threatening lethal force because of how the person was dressed?? Being afraid of someone because of their appearance sounds like a you thing and not a them thing and certainly cant be justification for tee shirt mans actions. If a gentleman in a vest and jeans is so frightening that your only response is to arm up .. just stay in the house.

Many many years ago I rode on the weekends with a bunch of NYPD guys. On the weekends they would dress up in their Harley garb and jump on their Harleys and have a great time. It was fun. Funnier guys you wont meet. They were in fact the good guys. With the cost of Harley Davidsons .. you are more likely to find a Doctor or banker and his girlfriend all dressed up like Hells Angeles on a weekend romp than actual bad guys. Harely Davidson does a great job of marketing their apparel. Your discomfort with a persons appearance doesnt justify threatening deadly force.

But it’s not very glamorous and you’ll never see John Wick or Inspector Harry Callahan do it. The tactiCOOL bellicose bumpersticker culture is simply centered around kinetic solutions to threat situations.

Wow .. for a gun guy on a gun board .. you paint a pretty ugly overarching picture of gun owners?! I have met a lot of people on this board. Yes I have met a couple of Rambos but the far greater majority were regular ol dudes working jobs and living life and are nothing like your portrayal.

One of them is disengaging and walking/backing away

My primary mode of transport is on two wheels. Getting back to his bike is not an option. Its not like getting in your car and locking the doors having some modicum of safety behind some sheet steel and glass. You are VERY vulnerable on the bike especially with a passenger and you are even more vulnerable when getting on or off a 500+ pound motorcycle. With a guy standing there .. having already swiped at you with a knife .. trying to get back on your bike can mean you are completely at the mercy of the assailant. You have to either try and defuse it through other means or wait until the police arrive. Trying to mount up while someone is still threatening you with a weapon would be a tactical error.
 
Boriqua said:
That Guy said:
1. We have no idea what was occurring BEFORE the video started to roll. There are any number of reasons the man in the white T-shirt could have justifiably felt the need to pull a knife. Particularly since the biker was twice his size, the biker had a less than calm female companion who just MIGHT have been a threat in her own right, and let’s face it-a man dressed like a “biker” looks somewhat more intimidating than a Mormon missionary who just dismounted from his Schwinn.

2. There are numerous ways to survive a confrontation. One of them is disengaging and walking/backing away. But it’s not very glamorous and you’ll never see John Wick or Inspector Harry Callahan do it. The tactiCOOL bellicose bumpersticker culture is simply centered around kinetic solutions to threat situations. Fr’instance schools constantly have scenarios where they demand students student to engage six or more “threats” in a run without allowing them to make the judgement call, “Is this really the best way for to survive?” I have trained at some very highly regarded shooting schools and training academies and not one even addressed assessing the situation and tactically disengaging from the incident. Why? Cuz’ it ain’t macho and students came to shoot targets not to back away from them.

3. Let’s say the man in the white T-shirt was completely in the wrong. The biker exercised poor tactical awareness/judgement for not increasing the distance between them.

The only thing I can possibly agree with ... without seeing any more of the video .. is that the Guy with the bike maybe could have done more to deescalate. However we dont know what transpired before the video started.

Sorry the rest of your post is garbage.

let’s face it-a man dressed like a “biker” looks somewhat more intimidating than a Mormon missionary who just dismounted from his Schwinn.

So the tee shirt guy is justified in drawing a weapon and threatening lethal force because of how the person was dressed?? Being afraid of someone because of their appearance sounds like a you thing and not a them thing and certainly cant be justification for tee shirt mans actions. If a gentleman in a vest and jeans is so frightening that your only response is to arm up .. just stay in the house.

Many many years ago I rode on the weekends with a bunch of NYPD guys. On the weekends they would dress up in their Harley garb and jump on their Harleys and have a great time. It was fun. Funnier guys you wont meet. They were in fact the good guys. With the cost of Harley Davidsons .. you are more likely to find a Doctor or banker and his girlfriend all dressed up like Hells Angeles on a weekend romp than actual bad guys. Harely Davidson does a great job of marketing their apparel. Your discomfort with a persons appearance doesnt justify threatening deadly force.

But it’s not very glamorous and you’ll never see John Wick or Inspector Harry Callahan do it. The tactiCOOL bellicose bumpersticker culture is simply centered around kinetic solutions to threat situations.

Wow .. for a gun guy on a gun board .. you paint a pretty ugly overarching picture of gun owners?! I have met a lot of people on this board. Yes I have met a couple of Rambos but the far greater majority were regular ol dudes working jobs and living life and are nothing like your portrayal.

One of them is disengaging and walking/backing away

My primary mode of transport is on two wheels. Getting back to his bike is not an option. Its not like getting in your car and locking the doors having some modicum of safety behind some sheet steel and glass. You are VERY vulnerable on the bike especially with a passenger and you are even more vulnerable when getting on or off a 500+ pound motorcycle. With a guy standing there .. having already swiped at you with a knife .. trying to get back on your bike can mean you are completely at the mercy of the assailant. You have to either try and defuse it through other means or wait until the police arrive. Trying to mount up while someone is still threatening you with a weapon would be a tactical error.

Thank you for proving all my points!

“Wow .. for a gun guy on a gun board .. you paint a pretty ugly overarching picture of gun owners?!”
No-just the tactiCOOL gun owners whose first inclination is to draw instead of think. And if you believe those guys are a teeny tiny minority you’ve been sucking down too much exhaust. Show me a shooting school that has scenarios where the student assesses the situation the best decision is simply not to engage in the scenario? Show me a famous gun writer or an article in a gun magazine that says the same? How many people out there carry pepper spray along with a firearm as a non-lethal step to solve the situation? I can tell you how many-practically none of you do.

“ So the tee shirt guy is justified in drawing a weapon and threatening lethal force because of how the person was dressed?? Being afraid of someone because of their appearance sounds like a you thing and not a them thing and certainly cant be justification for tee shirt mans actions.”

I never said he was justified I said it might have been a contributing factor to his fear. A lotta bikers wanna look like Jax Teller and Sonny Barger and dress that way which is fine. But here’s a news flash for you: people DO judge other people by their appearance. WOW! WHAT A SHOCK! Don’t know if you’ve ever heard this piece of advice before but generally if people apply for a job they want to dress in a professional business manner because guess what scooter? People make judgments about you based on how you dress and how you appear! Do you wanna run around in camouflage fatigues? OK fine-but people are gonna make judgments about you the way you’re dressed. Do you want to drive down the road wearing a big marijuana emblem on your T-shirt? Fine. You don’t think a cop who pulls you always gonna have some preconceptions about your possible drug use? And I guarantee you if that biker dude was dressed like a Black Lives Matter activist or wearing an antifa T-shirt you wouldn’t think twice about considering him more of a threat based upon his appearance. Yeah I know a lot of doctors and lawyers like to dress up in their bad ass motorcycle costumes-they’re called “RUB’s” and I used to see them at the Billet Bar all the time. And what was my preconception about a guy who rides a Paul Yaffe motorcycle, wears a gold Rolex watch, has pressed jeans, and acts like he’s the baddest thing on the street?

“ My primary mode of transport is on two wheels. Getting back to his bike is not an option.”:
I didn’t say ride away away Einstein, I said walk away. Do you understand the difference between walking and riding? One you use your legs, another one you use wheels. So why couldn’t our biker hero back away and keep his motorcycle BETWEEN himself the guy in the T-shirt and him while his loudmouth biker mama dials 911? Because that’s not macho and tactiCOOL. Didn’t think of that did you?
 
Hey now .. you seem awful confrontational and belligerent in your response. Even tried to denigrate me by calling me scooter and Einstein.... Hilarious by the way ...

Are you upset ..angry .. are you absolutely sure you should be the one championing deescalation?? You didnt set a great example ... just sayin

Dont be "THAT" guy :dance:
 
Lots of things happening there, in the end biker not charged and trucker was. Right wrong I dunno but one guy went home and the other is still alive. He could have shot him after the swipe but did not he brandished bigly. That womans mouth even excited she was an aggravating factor. Think I would shoot after the swipe .
 
Again hard to say without seeing the begining but I was surprised the biker guy hadnt even unzipped or unbuttoned his vest so he would have faster access to his weapon when the whole thing started. Shows me he might never have intended to go "there" and thought it might just be a shouting chest puffing thing. If biker guy was so anxious to be a death dealer macho with a gun why didnt he make it easier to access. I think he showed restraint and t shirt guy should count his blessings as he defends himself in court
 
Boriqua said:
Hey now .. you seem awful confrontational and belligerent in your response. Even tried to denigrate me by calling me scooter and Einstein.... Hilarious by the way ...

Are you upset ..angry .. are you absolutely sure you should be the one championing deescalation?? You didnt set a great example ... just sayin

Dont be "THAT" guy :dance:
Just check his 'reputation' in the sidebar... That should tell you what you need to know...
He's only been on this board for a year & he already has a -4 rating from others here...
 
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