Mesa shooting arrest?

[Boriqua]

https://www.azfamily.com/news/mesa-police-arrest-suspect-for-manslaughter-in-deadly-shooting/article_8afb041e-38b9-11eb-a11b-bfe3677ca87c.html

My reading comprehension skills must be slipping. What the hell happened and why did this guy get arrested?

 

[Dauph]

Damn Macaulay Culkin looks horrible.



Lol

 

[AZ_Five56]

It sounds like the "victim" shot himself when handing the gun back to Macaulay. They were probably all drunk too.

 

[Boriqua]

Drugs bad!

Now that is what I thought I read. The guy shot himself handing it back ... So the owner of the gun gets charged with manslaughter?

Now we all know they were all stoned and taking the gun out to pass around might not have been a good idea but it seems it was the dead guys own negligence.

Do I have it wrong?

 

[AZ_Five56]

Drugs bad!

Now that is what I thought I read. The guy shot himself handing it back ... So the owner of the gun gets charged with manslaughter?

Now we all know they were all stoned and taking the gun out to pass around might not have been a good idea but it seems it was the dead guys own negligence.

Do I have it wrong?

I think the angle they're using for the manslaughter charge is that he pulled the magazine out and said it was safe and not loaded when there was actually a round in the chamber.

 

[Boriqua]

Drugs bad!

Now that is what I thought I read. The guy shot himself handing it back ... So the owner of the gun gets charged with manslaughter?

Now we all know they were all stoned and taking the gun out to pass around might not have been a good idea but it seems it was the dead guys own negligence.

Do I have it wrong?

I think the angle they're using for the manslaughter charge is that he pulled the magazine out and said it was safe and not loaded when there was actually a round in the chamber.

That's interesting. Seems like a stretch but I won't feign to be a legal scholar.

Wasn't sure what to make of the article but if that's the case ... Well .. it just doesn't seem right. To me at least.

 

[Suck My Glock]

Yep, "recklessly causing death" is the rather open-ended definition in Arizona for Manslaughter. Handing someone a loaded gun when you believe it to be unloaded could be termed as "negligent". But to do so AND ALSO inform the person you handed it to that is is empty and safe when it isn't,...definitely "reckless".

 

[Boriqua]

Jeez .. Guess I am still caught up in personal responsibility. If a Friend hands me a gun and I don't peak in the chamber to make sure its not loaded I kind of figure anything that happens is on me.

One of the great things about working 12 hours a day 6 and 7 days a week was I couldn't read so much news. I feel like rip van winkle. Suddenly I am awake and looking around and .. the world got weird while I was asleep!

 

[Flash]

Jeez .. Guess I am still caught up in personal responsibility. If a Friend hands me a gun and I don't peak in the chamber to make sure its not loaded I kind of figure anything that happens is on me.

One of the great things about working 12 hours a day 6 and 7 days a week was I couldn't read so much news. I feel like rip van winkle. Suddenly I am awake and looking around and .. the world got weird while I was asleep!

My Dad was very stern about this. If he took out a gun, checked it and handed it to me and I didn't check it, I caught hell from him. He said it was your responsibility to make sure any gun you were handed was empty.

I've had a few gun store employees look at me oddly when I check a gun they just checked.

 

[AZ_Five56]

I've had a few gun store employees look at me oddly when I check a gun they just checked.

I don't care what any gun store employee or friend thinks about me. I ALWAYS check. I think that my dad beat that into me too.

Now, for the characters in this story, who knows if the guy who shot himself had ever held a gun before or knew any gun safety rules.

 

[Suck My Glock]

I don't care what any gun store employee or friend thinks about me. I ALWAYS check. I think that my dad beat that into me too.

I was at Randall's a number of years ago just hanging out and shooting the schit. A customer had been in there as well and had asked to handle a Bersa .380 under the counter. There were 3 of us there in close proximity to the fellow as he inspected the weapon. Looking back, neither of us watched him as closely as any of us might normally. Partly because we had been in an intense conversation and didn't really feel like breaking away from it, but also because there were 3 of us there, and if the guy did something stupid or tried to walk out with it, one of us would see it and do something.

After a little bit longer handling the Bersa than might be considered normal, he handed it back and said thank you and walked out. We continued on with our conversation for a few moments more. Then the guy behind the counter started to put the Bersa back under the counter. But he stopped just before doing so, catching himself not doing the standard routine of checking to make sure the gun was unloaded before putting it back on display. I watched as he paused for just a moment, considering if that was really necessary, since he had already checked to verify it was empty when he handed it to the guy earlier. But rules exists for a reason, so just to keep a good habit, he went ahead and press-checked it anyway to verify there was nothing in the chamber,...but there was shiny brass peeking out of the supposedly empty chamber!

He jacked the slide back fully and out ejected a live round!

We all just looked at each other with our dumb mouths hung open.

The "customer" had obviously loaded the round in there while none of us was watching him closely. Just the single round, nothing in the magazine. Had he been contemplating suicide? Had he been considering robbing the place? Was he considering trying to steal the gun? We'll never know. But none of us there will EVER take our eyes of someone handling a weapon in close proximity, no matter if it is "unloaded" or not, AND we check every gun we touch to verify loaded or not, even after we already know.

 

[Joe_Blacke]

It sounded like his friend was handing the gun back when it went off. So, the gun wasn’t properly cleared and the trigger got pulled during the handoff. I’d assume the person arrested was the one who pulled the trigger.