In what condition do you carry your 1911 in?
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Crippledtrigger
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Pin the grip safety or remove the mag safety in s w autos or remove the trigger safety in strike fired guns like Glocks....what could possibly go wrong? Probably nothing for most folks untill an oh shit happens and you have to explain why sent a round negligently. Or worse someone else does it, like a kid.
It wont be very hard to prove criminal negligence in such a case. Civilly? Well the lower standard of proof means you're phucked 7 ways till Sunday there.
Accidents happen, hell bad sheit happens accidentally all the time, but doing something like disabling safety's prior to an accident, well legally that's negligence .
Unless you're Hillary Clinton or have a good lawyer and a sheit load of money you're probably phucked.
But you do what you think is best. A mans got to right? The probability that it will bite you in the ars is probably low. I'd move all my assets into a trust or give them to my kids early though. Why? Bad sheit happens all the time. That's why smarter gun folks than us came up with rules and training, to mitigate damage when bad sheit happens.
It wont be very hard to prove criminal negligence in such a case. Civilly? Well the lower standard of proof means you're phucked 7 ways till Sunday there.
Accidents happen, hell bad sheit happens accidentally all the time, but doing something like disabling safety's prior to an accident, well legally that's negligence .
Unless you're Hillary Clinton or have a good lawyer and a sheit load of money you're probably phucked.
But you do what you think is best. A mans got to right? The probability that it will bite you in the ars is probably low. I'd move all my assets into a trust or give them to my kids early though. Why? Bad sheit happens all the time. That's why smarter gun folks than us came up with rules and training, to mitigate damage when bad sheit happens.
Condition 0 for me.
pvreb
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17-21-23 said:
IMO that is the same as carrying a glock (or similar). Different strokes for different folks.
True story...
My ex wife carrys a SIG 238 in her purse. (some carry a little dog in their purse, she carries a little 1911) We had this going discussion about condition 1 carry as she carried C3. A friend asked her what if someone smacked you with a crowbar, bat, 2X4 and broke your left arm? How would you rack the gun. She (of course) said I'll find a way and blew it off.
2... weeks... later...
My daughter was sleeping on a couch at her boyfriends apt. On her stomach, with her arm up and head in the elbow and a blanket over her head.
He points at her head and fires 2 shots. One bullet hits her Humerus, shatters it and the bullet.
The other deflects off the Radius, through her breast and slides down the Sternum and (still) rests above the Xiphoid Process. ...he ate a third bullet that kills him dead.
She gets up and in a panic runs around, calls 911, bangs on other tenants doors, etc.
Here's my point. When the police arrive, they're all condition red and come in screaming to put her hands up and she's thinking she going to get shot because she can't as much as move her left arm. Later she said she couldn't believe how worthless her left arm was and it felt like a pile of dead meat.
Needless to say, the ex started carrying C1 after that.
When you carry, can you quickly, get the gun, and shoot it with either hand? You may not have the use of your other arm.
My ex wife carrys a SIG 238 in her purse. (some carry a little dog in their purse, she carries a little 1911) We had this going discussion about condition 1 carry as she carried C3. A friend asked her what if someone smacked you with a crowbar, bat, 2X4 and broke your left arm? How would you rack the gun. She (of course) said I'll find a way and blew it off.
2... weeks... later...
My daughter was sleeping on a couch at her boyfriends apt. On her stomach, with her arm up and head in the elbow and a blanket over her head.
He points at her head and fires 2 shots. One bullet hits her Humerus, shatters it and the bullet.
The other deflects off the Radius, through her breast and slides down the Sternum and (still) rests above the Xiphoid Process. ...he ate a third bullet that kills him dead.
She gets up and in a panic runs around, calls 911, bangs on other tenants doors, etc.
Here's my point. When the police arrive, they're all condition red and come in screaming to put her hands up and she's thinking she going to get shot because she can't as much as move her left arm. Later she said she couldn't believe how worthless her left arm was and it felt like a pile of dead meat.
Needless to say, the ex started carrying C1 after that.
When you carry, can you quickly, get the gun, and shoot it with either hand? You may not have the use of your other arm.
AZ Husker
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Or more likely fending off an assailant with your off hand while drawing.
Holy crap! What a story!azrik said:
I am so glad it worked out with the right person dead -- shows how important a factor luck is in these situations -- but your daughter is going to live with some terrifying memories as well as physical disability. Poor kid.
Interesting that both Ranger1 and 17-21-23 opt for Condition 0. I wonder if YNOTAZ also carries Condition 0, because that would be three votes right there.17-21-23 said:
smithers599 said:
I wasn't one of the three. I opt for condition 1, I've trained for that, practiced it on both primary and secondary weapon, and have a friend who would be dead if it wasn't for the thumb safety on a 1911 and his condition 1 carry. I won't argue condition 1 vs 0 since that is a matter of comfort, safety and training.
I will however say that an unloaded gun is a stick. I don't ever plan to get into a fight with a stick.
Look. I'm a old guy and all the old guys I ran around with all would do this when they carried the 1911. After shooting and loading a fresh mag put it on safe ( make it condition 1) holster the weapon and flick it off safe before your hand leaves the weapon. Now I dont pin my back strap. That was back.in the day. So even if the safty is flicked off the way I carry there still is a safty ingauged. The back strap safty is still ingauged. When I go to pull from the holster it's just that much faster to get a round on target.
