Forced Vaccinations are Starting

[A_C Guy]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/09/colleges-require-flu-shots-coronavirus-428407

Massachusetts has long been a leader in required vaccines and first laid the groundwork for government standards after winning a Supreme Court decision in 1905 that upheld local smallpox vaccination orders.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/197/11
The court denied the argument that an individuals rights outweighed the governments authority to require vaccinations of children and adults.

3 other states are pending legislation mimicking Massachusetts' requirements.

 

[Boriqua]

When I was a kid starting elementary school you had to be up on all your vaccinations in order to attend and needed to submit a form signed by a doctor.

Did that change?

 

[Flash]

When I was a kid starting elementary school you had to be up on all your vaccinations in order to attend and needed to submit a form signed by a doctor.

Did that change?

Nope, been that way for a long, long time.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2553651/#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20is%20on,in%20public%20schools%20%5B1%5D.

The United States is on the verge of a public health crisis. For decades, all 50 states have required that parents vaccinate their children against various diseases, including polio and measles, as a prerequisite to enrolling them in public schools . While virtually all states have tailored their immunization statutes to exempt those with religious (and sometimes philosophical) objections to vaccines from these requirements, widespread use of these exemptions threatens to undermine many of the benefits of mandatory vaccinations, such as preserving “herd immunity”. Since it is unlikely that state governments will eliminate such exemptions outright, society must consider other methods of providing incentives for vaccination and compensating those who have suffered due to a disease outbreak caused by a community’s loss of herd immunity.

 

[QuietM4]

Certain vaccinations I am fine with. MMR, polio, small pox, etc...things that can actually kill you and others with a HIGH kill rate.

COVID, on the other hand, has an average survival rate of +98%. Not a threat to the overwhelming majority of people...nearly everyone. No way I’m getting a vaccine for it. Same way I don’t get a flu shot.

Mandatory vaccines is not new. I still have my Shot Card from my elementary school days. If you didn’t have your shots, you didn’t go to public school, end of story.

 

[Manitu]

I know it is a way different element but I can not count the number of shots in boot camp and years after it was always something or other. 1976 Capas Tarlac (where the death march ended) the swine flu shot had such a bad rep the Navy gave us the 1 time take or not take it. I did not, I was in Clark hospital for 6 weeks non stop with double pneumonia and swine flu. I wont pass up another vaccine unless I actually see people burst into flames after taking it. Some humor, some stance, point is its personal on vaccines. Your body your rules, their school, their rules, pick a lane.

 

[Miker12]

so when you run into this, what will you do?

 

[Flash]

I know it is a way different element but I can not count the number of shots in boot camp and years after it was always something or other. 1976 Capas Tarlac (where the death march ended) the swine flu shot had such a bad rep the Navy gave us the 1 time take or not take it. I did not, I was in Clark hospital for 6 weeks non stop with double pneumonia and swine flu. I wont pass up another vaccine unless I actually see people burst into flames after taking it. Some humor, some stance, point is its personal on vaccines. Your body your rules, their school, their rules, pick a lane.

I got the flu every year, regular as clockwork as I worked around a lot of people who had kids and kids pick up everything as they have no immunities until they grow some.

Then I married Mrs. Flash and the place she worked gave free flu shots to employees and their spouses, so I go one on speculation. Didn't get the flu for the first time that year.

Got one every year since and haven't had the flu again.

I'll take flu shots. Covid? Maybe, I'll have to research it if and when they come out.

 

[QuietM4]

I try to avoid being a first adopter of any substance injected into my body that was developed in less than 12 months, shoved through a system negating any standard review process, with zero long term studies or data.

Hell, the number of drugs that pass the FDA gauntlet and still make people sick years down the road is still surprising... so hard pass.

 

[Java Junkie]

I am working at St Joe's hospital for a contractor doing remodeling inside. I had to get a flu shot the other day. Okay no biggie. I don't usually get one but I rarely get the flu anyways. My wife gets one every year.
My brother is adamant about not getting one because he said the only time he ever got one he got sick from it
My son has twin newborns and they want me to have taken a flu shot and TDAP shot before I get to see them(TDAP is tetanus, diphtheria, whooping cough) I looked up my vaccination record and I had one in 2011. They are good for ten years so I'm good to go. I guess it's a thing. I've heard from doctors and nurses that say so.

 

[Boriqua]

I get the flu shot every year for about the last 4-5 years. I have never had any sort of reaction from it. Havent gone yet this year because I am currently dealing with other medical issues and dont want to introduce something new for my body to deal with but I will in a week or so.

having said that .. I have to agree that the Covid vaccine seems a little rushed and while I like the idea that a magic formula will bring something resembling relief and a return to normalcy in that its one less thing everyone can get nuts over, businesses can get back to conducting business and people can work and keep a roof over their heads. If there is a forced vaccine it will be for this reason and not something matching the severity of the disease.

Its not like we have carts in the streets picking up the discarded bodies of the fallin. If it werent for perception .. no one would want a vaccine this quickly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcbR1J_4ICg

I will wait for some of the guinea pigs to give it a whirl first and see if its not actually the T virus and having taken it, the populous turns into ravenous zombies .... No one turns into a Zombie .. maybe I will take it

Beware umbrella! Umbrella is real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjgfSSOedJ0

 

[Flash]

My brother is adamant about not getting one because he said the only time he ever got one he got sick from it

The flu shot is a dead virus so it's impossible to get the flu from it in spite of what people think.

 

[Crippledtrigger]

My brother is adamant about not getting one because he said the only time he ever got one he got sick from it

The flu shot is a dead virus so it's impossible to get the flu from it in spite of what people think.

What people experience is an immune response to the shot. Its what's supposed to happen but in some can make you feel like your getting sick as your body does exactly what it's supposed to do when it detects foreign invaders.

Actually getting the flu from a flu shot, not possible. Still you will never convince tinfoil jock strap wearers of this.

 

[Miker12]

[/quote]
The flu shot is a dead virus so it's impossible to get the flu from it in spite of what people think.
[/quote]

Live Attenuated Influenza Vaccine [LAIV] (The Nasal Spray Flu Vaccine)
"The nasal spray flu vaccine contains weakened (attenuated) viruses"

 

[Flash]

The flu shot is a dead virus so it's impossible to get the flu from it in spite of what people think.
[/quote]

Live Attenuated Influenza Vaccine [LAIV] (The Nasal Spray Flu Vaccine)
"The nasal spray flu vaccine contains weakened (attenuated) viruses"
[/quote]

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/misconceptions.htm

Misconceptions about Flu Vaccines

Can a flu vaccine give you flu?

No, flu vaccines cannot cause flu illness. Flu vaccines given with a needle (i.e., flu shots) are made with either inactivated (killed) viruses, or with only a single protein from the flu virus. The nasal spray vaccine contains live viruses that are attenuated (weakened) so that they will not cause illness.

 

[Miker12]

You specifically wrote that the virus is dead

[/quote] The flu shot is a dead virus so it's impossible to get the flu from it in spite of what people think.
[/quote]

And I showed that the nasal spray was a live virus.

You can also shed the virus for days even if you get the vaccine as this 2018 study shows:

“Self-reported vaccination for the current season was associated with a trend (P < 0.10) toward higher viral shedding in fine aerosol samples; vaccination with both the current and previous year’s seasonal vaccines, however, was significantly associated with greater fine-aerosol shedding in unadjusted and adjusted models (P < 0.01). In adjusted models, we observed 6.3 (95% CI 1.9–21.5) times more aerosol shedding among cases with vaccination in the current and previous season compared with having no vaccination in those two seasons.”

“The association of current and prior year vaccination with increased shedding of influenza A might lead one to speculate that certain types of prior immunity promote lung inflammation, airway closure, and aerosol generation. This first observation of the phenomenon needs confirmation. If confirmed, this observation, together with recent literature suggesting reduced protection with annual vaccination, would have implications for influenza vaccination recommendations and policies.”

https://www.pnas.org/content/115/5/1081.full

 

[Miker12]

and the bigger issue is NOT the annual influenza vaccine, it is that Covid is not a deadly disease for over 99.98% of those who get the disease. This is nothing but Big Pharm tyranny and a way for you to be digi- tracked as a passport to travel, buy and sell (so says Bill Gates)

But you go ahead and take the courageous vaccine when it comes out.

 

[Flash]

You specifically wrote that the virus is dead

The flu shot is a dead virus so it's impossible to get the flu from it in spite of what people think.
[/quote]

And I showed that the nasal spray was a live virus.


[/quote]

Yes, but we were talking about flu shots and so that's what I wrote about.

You expanded the topic to nasal spray and so I brought in the data to show that you can't get the flu from that either so that we don't confuse the readers of this thread.

We're done.

 

[Boriqua]

I dont think it matters one way or the other. I have heard the "I got sick" comment from others in conversations over the years and know its a dead virus but just dont comment.

In the end .. your body might react as if it has the flu however briefly as it forms up its immune response. You may not "BE" sick as in infected with virus but "Feel" sick for a short time and in the end .. Doesnt make much difference to the person who feels sick. Personal perception is everything.

I think one time I felt a little lethargic after getting the vaccine but it passed in an afternoon and could have been anything else.

Still .. soon after moving to east mesa I got a flu that kicked my butt for some 2 weeks. My NYC Subway immunity I guess had worn off because I swear I hadnt gotten sick in AZ since moving out here 15-16 years ago but that one was bad one.

I dont get the shot because I am worried about dying .. I get it in the hopes of not spending 2 weeks and change down to the bone miserable. With travel time getting the shot cost me about 40 minutes. Well worth it to me.

 

[A_C Guy]

The issue is not whether the virus is alive or dead.

The issue is the legality of the government ordering you, requiring you, to get a vaccine.
I do not believe the Constitution gives the government that power or authority.

Unfortunately, the US Supreme Court already set precedent 100 years ago and found against the plaintiff. When the state says that you must get a vaccine and carry proof with you to go outside your house, they will point to that Supreme Court ruling and say "Yes we can"

'All will be required to carry the mark on their right hand or forehead to buy, sell, or trade'.