Family $ employee

[thom]

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/family-dollar-employee-shooting-west-phoenix.
Why was he arrested?
Someone had their fill of being stolen from.
How many shots is too many?

Just questions in my head.

Thom

 

[pneuby]

Excerpted from a blog I subscribe to:

A store employee at a Phoenix Family Dollar store shot a customer multiple times, emptying his gun’s magazine, according to newly released court documents. The man was taken to a hospital in critical condition. On Wednesday, Phoenix [AZ] police responded around 7:50 p.m. to the Family Dollar store near 68th Avenue and Indian School Road for reports of a shooting. They found a man shot multiple times outside of the store and the suspected shooter, 24-year-old Kevin Ignacio Salas Madrid, with an empty gun next to him. Court documents say that Madrid identified himself to the police as the shooter and that the victim was an alleged repeated shoplifter. Madrid was an employee at the store. Madrid told police that he saw the man walk into the store and confronted him, telling the man to get out of the store. A witness at the store told police he overheard Madrid and the man arguing. The witness said the man closed his left fist and hit Madrid in the face, knocking off his eyeglasses. That’s when Madrid allegedly pulled out a gun and shot at the man at least ten times. When the man fell to the ground, Madrid walked closer and fired more shots at him. One store employee said a total of 15 shots were heard. The employee asked Madrid what happened, and he reportedly responded that he could not control his anger. Madrid told police that he didn’t see any weapons on the victim and that the shooting was “egregious.” Madrid was arrested and booked into jail on an attempted second-degree murder charge. (When I started taking this stuff seriously, it was taught that a punch did not ordinarily justify responding with deadly force, In the ensuing years, that dictum seems to have softened, across the nation, particularly in the wake of numerous deaths and cripplings of people sucker-punched in random incidents. Still, what may be a justifiable shooting initially becomes murder or attempted murder if it continues after the threat is neutralized.)

https://www.azfamily.com/2023/03/25/family-dollar-worker-shot-customer-15-times-witness-tells-phoenix-police/

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[MarkItZero]

From this article, he sounds like another that should have utilized his right to remain silent and speak with an attorney.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/26/az-family-dollar-employee-fatally-shoots-alleged-shoplifter/

 

[smithers599]

Madrid told police that he didn’t see any weapons on the victim and that the shooting was “egregious.”

Right. A 24-year-old named Kevin Ignacio Salas Madrid, who works at a Family Dollar store, uses the word "egregious" as part of his normal conversational vocabulary. Uh-huh.

 

[Suck My Glock]

I'm not saying he was right,...but this is where jury nullification needs to come into play and the jury can decide to let him off despite being clearly in violation of the law. The criminal element does what they do because the consequences are no longer present. When consequences finally do roar back into play, it often looks like this.

Again, I'm not saying he was right. But neither does he deserve to have his life ruined over this.

I think the perp is only still alive because Mr. Madrid, living off of what Family Dollar pays, couldn't afford a REAL pistol.

And I suspect shoplifting at that store will radically decrease now.

 

[hrob]

I think Madrid was perfectly within his right to use deadly force. A punch to the face is no laughing matter. It can, and probably will, cause grievous physical injury; it may shatter teeth, break the jaw, break an orbital bone or even result in death. How many videos have we seen where some guy was knocked unconscious from a simple punch to the face, fell down, hit his head and died of a brain injury?

Hollywood would have us believe that people can sustain multiple blows by fists to the face with virtually no injury but the FBI Uniform Crime Report says otherwise. In 2019, 600 people were killed by the most common of deadly weapons, fists and feet. Don't let movie stuntmen fool you into thinking a punch is not worthy of a deadly force response.

None of this, unfortunately, absolves Madrid from shooting his already wounded assailant as the threat appeared to be over. This is where jury nullification comes into play.

 

[thom]

Maybe, just maybe, the criminal was trying to get back up and attack again and Madrid was still trying to stop him, fearing for his own life.

 

[hrob]

Maybe, just maybe, the criminal was trying to get back up and attack again and Madrid was still trying to stop him, fearing for his own life.

You're right. That could very well be the case.

 

[QuietM4]

Like it or not, you cannot legally shoot a person for shoplifting...even if they punch you in the face. No ones life was in immediate danger. That kid is going to be in jail for a few years, at least.

 

[thom]

What about assault and stand your ground laws?

 

[Pro2a]

Maybe, just maybe, the criminal was trying to get back up and attack again and Madrid was still trying to stop him, fearing for his own life.

I hope there's cameras for that.

 

[Pro2a]

What about assault and stand your ground laws?

I get the sense that he was the advancing party, not the advancee

 

[Pro2a]

whoops double

 

[Pro2a]

whoops double

It's 2:23 am (see what I did there) I'm barely awake...Leave me alone

 

[QuietM4]

What about assault and stand your ground laws?

Simple physical assault without a deadly weapon doesn’t qualify. Plus, the employee instigated the interaction.

Also, it was not burglary of an occupied residential structure.

 

[Boriqua]

What about assault and stand your ground laws?

Simple physical assault without a deadly weapon doesn’t qualify. Plus, the employee instigated the interaction.

Also, it was not burglary of an occupied residential structure.

Not saying that is the case here but isn't physical assault a justification for self defense with a firearm in the case of disparity of force?

If some 300 lb boxer is assaulting a 70 yr old frail man .. can't the 70 yr old claim self defense?

 

[QuietM4]

What about assault and stand your ground laws?

Simple physical assault without a deadly weapon doesn’t qualify. Plus, the employee instigated the interaction.

Also, it was not burglary of an occupied residential structure.

Not saying that is the case here but isn't physical assault a justification for self defense with a firearm in the case of disparity of force?

If some 300 lb boxer is assaulting a 70 yr old frail man .. can't the 70 yr old claim self defense?

I agree with the disparity of force argument , but that doesn’t appear to apply to the case in this instance.

 

[kenpoprofessor]

Simple physical assault without a deadly weapon doesn’t qualify. Plus, the employee instigated the interaction.

Also, it was not burglary of an occupied residential structure.

Not saying that is the case here but isn't physical assault a justification for self defense with a firearm in the case of disparity of force?

If some 300 lb boxer is assaulting a 70 yr old frail man .. can't the 70 yr old claim self defense?

I agree with the disparity of force argument , but that doesn’t appear to apply to the case in this instance.

Unless you were there to witness the event, you really shouldn't be commenting on what did or didn't happen, you have no friggin' clue other than what you've read.

Clyde

 

[Noshoot]

Well, that didn’t last long….

 

[Suck My Glock]

There's nothing wrong with playing "what ifs",...but Kenpo has a valid point. There is likely an awful lot we don't know.