Body cam footage - George Floyd arrest!!!

[AZ_Five56]

Daily Mail just leaked the body cam footage from one of the officers. It's very revealing, and I think ALL officers have a good chance of getting off.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8576371/Police-bodycam-footage-shows-moment-moment-arrest-George-Floyd-time.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPSwqp5fdIw&feature=emb_title

 

[cool arrow]

opinions may vary, but it was VERY clear that he was resisting and pushed himself out the other side of the patrol car with his legs.

he was a big guy, they tried to contain him, but he was high as a kite and did not want to be in that car.

 

[AZ_Five56]

Yes, and he very clearly said that he was going to die and that he couldn't breath multiple times WAY before he was on the ground. I think he was getting panicked by the police encounter, and that in combination with the drugs may have led to a heart attack or something.

 

[smithers599]

Agree on all counts, but here's the deal -- once he is restrained and cuffed, get your f___g knee off his f____g neck, jerkoff.

Is the cop guilty of murder? Yes. But Floyd had drugs in his system and had a bad heart and had resisted! True. But without the cop unnecessarily kneeling on his neck, he probably would not have died. Once the suspect is secured, you own him.

Imagine it's not a cop. Imagine it's you, in your house. You caught the guy, you fought with him, but now you have him roped and tied. You don't get to continue to use force without a good reason. Once he's secured, you can't shoot him; you can't punch or kick him; you can't choke him.

Cop will get convicted, and not just for political reasons. He's guilty. He was punishing the guy, and that's not his job.

The "police reform" I want to see is for good cops to stop sticking up for bad cops. I want good cops to speak up and say "That went over the line. We don't want guys like that on the job. They make life hard for the rest of us."

 

[Twobadazbrothers]

He was claiming to be claustrophobic to be in a car but he was in a car when they stopped him OK buddy :naughty:

 

[AZ_Five56]

Agree on all counts, but here's the deal -- once he is restrained and cuffed, get your f___g knee off his f____g neck, jerkoff.

Is the cop guilty of murder? Yes. But Floyd had drugs in his system and had a bad heart and had resisted! True. But without the cop unnecessarily kneeling on his neck, he probably would not have died. Once the suspect is secured, you own him.

I agree. The knee on his neck didn't seem necessary, and even if it was necessary for a brief time, it did not belong there as the life was going out of the guy's body. From my understanding, police force is supposed to be proportional. As he stops resisting, nothing like that can be justified.

Cop will get convicted, and not just for political reasons. He's guilty. He was punishing the guy, and that's not his job.

I hope that those two new cops get off, but I agree that Derek Chauvin was guilty of something. The biggest problem I see is that they overcharged him. They charged him with 2nd degree murder instead or 3rd (manslaughter), so now they need to prove intent. Now, they did know each other previously and I heard they didn't like each other. It may very well have been 2nd degree murder, but I'm not sure a jury will honestly be able to say that beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[knockonit]

lol, as if this vid will make a difference, damage is done, thats one genie you can';t put back in the bottle, its grown way too big, you can bet the claims of the vid will be manipulated over and over to show it was in fact the authorities fault it all happened, just the sign of the times.

 

[AZ_Five56]

lol, as if this vid will make a difference, damage is done, thats one genie you can';t put back in the bottle, its grown way too big, you can bet the claims of the vid will be manipulated over and over to show it was in fact the authorities fault it all happened, just the sign of the times.

You might be right. Good luck with jury selection.

 

[Joe_Blacke]

The damage won’t be done until the officers are acquitted. Then the real riots start.

Negligence for sure. Doesn’t rise to homicide/murder. The mens reaisnt present.

 

[Ben7]

Nothing can be done to convince that crowd he is anything short of a martyr, a saint who was unjustly murdered by racist cops just looking a victim.

 

[TheAccountant]

I'm with the cops 110% up until they are kneeling on him with no apparent plan to do anything but wait until he either went unconscious or died, so I don't see any possible way Chauvin doesn't get convicted of second degree murder. I think he's a Grade A POS that deserves every last bit of what's coming to him in prison. I don't know about the rest, but hopefully it's a wake up call for an attitude adjustment in some departments.

While on the topic of Grade A POS's, I think Floyd was in the same category and there's no doubt he'd be alive today if he hadn't used forged currency, resisted arrest, etc etc, but none of that should have cost him his life. I don't buy that the outcome would have been any different in any way, shape, or form if he wasn't black, but it's hard to defend someone's character after you watch them drain the life out of another human that's handcuffed and laying face down on the ground, so here we are.

 

[QuietM4]

The DA definitely overcharged the officers. Murder 2 has a very good chance of being acquitted. It's a very difficult position to be in for the DA....massive political pressure to charge, but you know Murder 1 won't stick...Manslaughter or Murder 3 is going to get you more riots...so you are stuck with Murder 2, which has a huge burden of proof for the prosecutor.

You think the OJ verdict was divisive, wait until the officers involved all get acquitted.

This leaked video also taints the potential jury pool in a very bad way...there is no way I would convict on Murder 2 after seeing this video. Now, if the charge was Manslaughter, I'd be more inclined as a juror to convict.

What I really want to know, and to see interviewed, is the store clerk who freaked out and called the cops over a potentially counterfeit $10 bill. Is this person a Treasury trained counterfeit detector? A $10 bill is one of the least common forms of paper currency....I don't know if I would be able to spot a fake one.

 

[AZ_Five56]

The DA definitely overcharged the officers. Murder 2 has a very good chance of being acquitted. It's a very difficult position to be in for the DA....massive political pressure to charge, but you know Murder 1 won't stick...Manslaughter or Murder 3 is going to get you more riots...so you are stuck with Murder 2, which has a huge burden of proof for the prosecutor.

You think the OJ verdict was divisive, wait until the officers involved all get acquitted.

This leaked video also taints the potential jury pool in a very bad way...there is no way I would convict on Murder 2 after seeing this video. Now, if the charge was Manslaughter, I'd be more inclined as a juror to convict.

I'm in the same boat. I absolutely think that at least manslaughter was committed by Derrek Chauvin, but I'm not convinced that the others would even be convicted of that. The burden of proof for Murder 2 just isn't there from everything that's come out publicly. Now, we know Derek and George worked together in the past. If Derek made a death threat in the past, I can definitely see the conviction go through. Otherwise, it's a crapshoot based on the jury they get.

 

[QuietM4]

...it's a crapshoot based on the jury they get.

That jury selection process is going to be a sh!t show. The amount of people who will lie to get off the jury or worse, on the jury during voir dire is going to be amazing. That's the only part of the trial I would like to see.

 

[AZ_Five56]

...it's a crapshoot based on the jury they get.

That jury selection process is going to be a sh!t show. The amount of people who will lie to get off the jury or worse, on the jury during voir dire is going to be amazing. That's the only part of the trial I would like to see.

Yep. It's going to be worse than Roger Stone's jury selection. It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall in that room for sure.

 

[338lapua]

Yes, and he very clearly said that he was going to die and that he couldn't breath multiple times WAY before he was on the ground. I think he was getting panicked by the police encounter, and that in combination with the drugs may have led to a heart attack or something.

And a knee on his neck for how long?

 

[AZ_Five56]

Yes, and he very clearly said that he was going to die and that he couldn't breath multiple times WAY before he was on the ground. I think he was getting panicked by the police encounter, and that in combination with the drugs may have led to a heart attack or something.

And a knee on his neck for how long?

That doesn't excuse the knee on the neck, but he was clearly having issues beforehand. What that office did was not acceptable at all, but this video gives a better context for what led up to that.

 

[TheAccountant]

The DA definitely overcharged the officers. Murder 2 has a very good chance of being acquitted. It's a very difficult position to be in for the DA....massive political pressure to charge, but you know Murder 1 won't stick...Manslaughter or Murder 3 is going to get you more riots...so you are stuck with Murder 2, which has a huge burden of proof for the prosecutor.

You think the OJ verdict was divisive, wait until the officers involved all get acquitted.

This leaked video also taints the potential jury pool in a very bad way...there is no way I would convict on Murder 2 after seeing this video. Now, if the charge was Manslaughter, I'd be more inclined as a juror to convict.

I'm in the same boat. I absolutely think that at least manslaughter was committed by Derrek Chauvin, but I'm not convinced that the others would even be convicted of that. The burden of proof for Murder 2 just isn't there from everything that's come out publicly. Now, we know Derek and George worked together in the past. If Derek made a death threat in the past, I can definitely see the conviction go through. Otherwise, it's a crapshoot based on the jury they get.

Not all second degree murder statutes are created equal. They charged him under the second subdivision of M2 that doesn't require intent, just that he killed him while committing some other felony act, in this case assault in the third degree, presumably relating to the knee to the neck for 9 minutes, 3 of which was after he was unresponsive. I don't think it's a long shot conviction by any means.

The video that was released is meaningless to the criminal charges. It should have been game over at the point he's cuffed, face down, and unarmed. Whatever he did before that point is irrelevant. Cops are supposedly professionals, not thugs carrying out street justice.

 

[mtptwo]

A knee on the back of the neck is a standard control technique for controlling parties on the ground. It has been used by the police for a long while now with no one dying before.

Not to mention you can't say "I can't breath" when you are being smothered to death.

 

[knockonit]

live by da sword, die by da sword.

video can be good, bad, or indifferent, problem is how it is spun and the MOB deals with it, in this case, we pretty much know how it will go.