ATF Pistol Brace Amnesty?

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It was gonna happen……sooner or later……
Fr’instance did y’all know that Gunsite, that bastion of firearms training won’t even allow anybody to use a pistol brace in any of their classes? In fact they specifically state in the course requirements for their “Pistol Caliber Carbine” class: “Weapons equipped with an arm brace will not be shot from the shoulder.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFYYtI3Vs4I
 
Ammoland article on it:

https://www.ammoland.com/2022/09/atf-pistol-brace-amnesty-registration-program/#axzz7dk7VvEn9
 
Doc said:
Can braces still be legally purchased? Asking because free stamps.
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Speculation: Why bother? If it's a "free" (lol!) stamp because it's becoming an SBR then why not use a stock?
 
Yeah, maybe us guys who never comply with nuthin' will sell off our braces to fund new parts. Maybe if someone pays me 3X what I paid for mine.
 
So, will they allow any brace or short stock? My wife has wanted a Troy collapsible stock for awhile now but the NFA paperwork discourages her. If it’s an online process and a free stamp she would probably go for it.
 

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Cbvanb said:
So, will they allow any brace or short stock? My wife has wanted a Troy collapsible stock for awhile now but the NFA paperwork discourages her. If it’s an online process and a free stamp she would probably go for it.
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It’s my belief, if there is an amnesty, the ATF will only allow firearms which already have a pistol brace. I say this because Tim Harmsen (the Obergruppenfuhrer of the Military Arms Channel) waxed long last year on one his YouTube videos (when the ATF was sniffing around another pistol brace ban/amnesty) encouraging people to take advantage of the amnesty and get a free NFA tax stamp to SBR long arms which never had a pistol brace. This in my opinion is why this “leak” (which may or may not have even been a leak) mentions that a photo of the braced firearm must be submitted with the Form 1 application to prevent this (Yes, the Gubment actually does watch YouTube).

So, as aside, it was kinda nice when pistol braces became common place on public ranges because Barney Fife range safety officers stopped trying to kick me off their range telling me my NFA exempt P-35 Inglis ( “CH” in the serial number) with original shoulder stock was illegal as I had no SBR NFA paperwork (happened at both Rio Salado and the Snottsdale Gun Club-they even threatened to call the Snottsdale Pooh Pooh). In fact it happened so often I literally had to print out the ATF NFA exemption section and take it to the range with me.
 
Cbvanb said:
So, will they allow any brace or short stock? My wife has wanted a Troy collapsible stock for awhile now but the NFA paperwork discourages her. If it’s an online process and a free stamp she would probably go for it.
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That’s my question.

And more importantly will it be legal and up until when? Or did that already pass? Saw some for sale still.
 
Hello all you fudds/lemmings debating the merits of a "free" NFA reg. Have you taken stupid pills or were ya'll born obtuse? Let's see:
1. Name & address
2. Finger prints
3. Multi pics of the weapon
4. Smoking deal for a limited time, $0!
Thank you sir, may I bend over and have another?
0% compliance IS THE ONLY RESPONSE.

This thread brings to mind the Warsaw Jews in early 1940. "Oh sweetie, no worries, the Einsatzgruppen only want us to wear these little yellow stars, nothing to worry about!"

WTF, are you capable of thinking 3-4 moves ahead?

I am so done with drinking from a fire hose of Socio-Fascist diarrhea on a daily basis, only to catch this thread about rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic...
 
AZHTfreak said:
This thread brings to mind the Warsaw Jews in early 1940. "Oh sweetie, no worries, the Einsatzgruppen only want us to wear these little yellow stars, nothing to worry about!"

WTF, are you capable of thinking 3-4 moves ahead?

I am so done with drinking from a fire hose of Socio-Fascist diarrhea on a daily basis, only to catch this thread about rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic...
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This guy gets it!

This is clearly all an overstep by ATF, and when their rules get overturned in court, they still have millions of newly registered SBRs as a result of their efforts. These are the same people that say they're coming for your AR-15s, so I don't know why anyone would go along with this unless you're already planning to SBR something.
 
Then the joke continues, it didn’t start its life as a pistol so you can’t return it to its original state by removing the brace and selling it as a pistol. Only thing you can do is buy a new upper or a new barrel and make it a 16+ inch rifle or sell it as an SBR and the next dude pays the Form 4 tax.

Try selling a $600 AR to a guy who has to pay you, them pay uncle sugar $200 and wait a year to get their AR. There is no market.
 
^^^ AND to add to what Tony just said, the AR that you bought from a private seller will now be in YOUR name in the NFA registry.

this is almost a way for the ATF to have a firearm registry without using the verbiage of registry...is everyone starting to get it???
 
cool arrow said:
^^^ AND to add to what Tony just said, the AR that you bought from a private seller will now be in YOUR name in the NFA registry.

this is almost a way for the ATF to have a firearm registry without using the verbiage of registry...is everyone starting to get it???
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Exactly
 
I have no argument with any of the criticisms of this new policy. Calling people names will hardly convince someone to your point of view but some of us have to consider the price of noncompliance. Like it or not your choice will be register your brace equipped AR, dump the brace, or keep the gun and become an instant felon if you get caught with it. And we all know the ATF is dying to make examples of anyone they catch. I don’t personally think the ATF has the authority to make this change but I also don’t have the resources to fight it once I have been arrested for noncompliance. If someone here is willing to sacrifice themselves I will be happy to contribute to your defense fund.
 
The problem here most don't seem to realize is that this event will be a dry run for larger registration schemes.

It is estimated that 4 million braces are out there.

So if 4 million gun owners comply,...what is the message D.C. receives?

When we argue that there are simply too many guns in circulation for any gun registration scheme to work, a successful 4 million compliance event shoots that argument in the foot.

To kill the idea that gun control is even possible, it is a moral imperative for this "amnesty" fail miserably. Obviously some will comply, and Cbvanb has covered that. I'm not gonna attack him for his position. We all have own risk assessments. But goddamit, freedom is risky. There's no fighting this schit without risk.

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Cbvanb said:
If someone here is willing to sacrifice themselves I will be happy to contribute to your defense fund.
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That is the exact problem "someONE". One person will get sacrificed, one person will be put in the headlines to demonstrate what non-compliance brings. BUTT

I hate to use Kommiefornia as an example but a small business organization with a large group of businesses, in San Fran, said they refuse to make any tax payments to the state, county, and city until the crap in front of their business door is eliminated, the Hypodermics on the sidewalk in front of their businesses are gone, and the "homeless" blocking access to their doors are gone.

I don't have the personal resources to fight the alphabet either but f#ck the unelected officials attempting to control me.

If you're afraid of being arrested, the Heritage foundation did a study and found the average American violates 3 federal codes every day without knowing it. That means if they want you, your A$$ is theirs if you do anything or not. Al Capone went to jail for tax issues, not murder, robbery or anything else.
 
YNOTAZ said:
If you're afraid of being arrested, the Heritage foundation did a study and found the average American violates 3 federal codes every day without knowing it. That means if they want you, your A$$ is theirs if you do anything or not. Al Capone went to jail for tax issues, not murder, robbery or anything else.
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As Stalin's head of secret police would say, show me the man, and I'll show you the crime.
 
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