ATF activity at Crossroads show today?

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Someone just sent me this. I have no idea if there is indeed anything to it. React to it as you please.

https://rumble.com/v1bgmr9-atf-and-california-doj-to-be-at-the-phoenix-az-gun-show.html
 
Considering the Phoenix PD has been posting a bunch on social media lately about them “working with” the ATF to reduce “gun crime” I wouldn’t be surprised.

This BS :

[media] https://www.instagram.com/p/CfooQMEhi5B/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=[/media]
 
Well, I won't be going to any gunshows after this. Then again, I haven't been to one in many years, so this simply reinforces my neglect.


Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day|

Clyde
 
There are usually plain clothes ATF at every gun show…this is nothing new. A couple of years ago I saw two of them badge a private seller with a Barret 50bmg and talk to him for a little bit. I’ve seen the same two agents at every gun show I’ve been to since.
 
Who still has a desire to go to these shows?

I know Flash was saying these are greatest shows on earth, but that was laughable, just as he was....

The only one worth going to was the SAR show, but haven't been in 5 years or so and people were saying even that show sucked ballz even before covid
 
Last gun show purchase in Mesa around 2009 got some nice priced self defense ammo. Then whenever the helicopter lady incident same purchase, dont see much there cant be seen elsewhere. So I suppose guys with a sign on their back selling whatever are why ATF joins in nowadays?
 
QuietM4 said:
There are usually plain clothes ATF at every gun show…
I’ve seen the same two agents at every gun show I’ve been to since.

Canya get pix of 'em next time? :lol:
 
Gun shows just aren't what they used to be.
The last gun show I was at , that I would call a real good show , was in 87 or 88 in Las Vegas.
They had some good shows in that town.
 
Ballistic Therapy said:
Gun shows just aren't what they used to be.
The last gun show I was at , that I would call a real good show , was in 87 or 88 in Las Vegas.
They had some good shows in that town.

Yeah, the 80's was the shiznit. Open-bolt semi-autos would still walk in the door back then, totally ignorant of how the prices had jumped. I traded a Springfield Armory for an open-bolt Fox carbine in .45acp, in the box with original receipt, nearly unfired. That was 1990. That was also one of my last gun show scores.
 
I used to drive to the Great Western (until LA County ended it)and had a table in “Building Four” which was the very best building there-lotsa cool stuff, lotsa cool collectors. IMO gun shows in Phoenix hit the iceberg when Crossroads, like the “Borg” in Star Trek assimilated or drove out all the competing gun shows in the Valley. Arizona Arms Association at Centennial Hall was excellent UNTIL Crossroads moved in. Roadrunner had a nice show in Glendale and the VFW post on Thomas in East Phoenix was small but I often found good deals. Once Crossroads bought out Ter-Mark (and became just as junky as them) it appeared all the other shows folded. Now Crossroads has a de facto monopoly and pretty much do whatever the hell it wants, for as much as it wants.
 
I think the last "good" one I was at - was '92 in Lousiville. Went once to a local one here a few years back - decided wasn't worth the effort anymore lol.
 
I've spent more money on beef jerky than anything else at "gun shows" over the past 5 years. I use gun shows to sell personal firearms, rather than buy any. Anyone who is mildly Internet savvy can find much better deals online that at any gun show. Parking, admission, gas, and your time cost more than any transfer fee from your LGS. The only guns show I make a point to attend is the SAR show, and even that is becoming extremely redundant year after year.
 
Pretty much there was a quick "meeting" before the show opened on Saturday about there MAY be some undercover ATF agents trying some shenanigans and to conduct ourselves accordingly when selling guns.

I managed to pick up some really good deals on things I had on my wish list (only had 2 things that I could not find, a black CMMG 5" Banshee in 45 ACP and grips for a Colt Police Positive revolver but didn't have high hopes of finding those at the show) plus some things that were just too good of a price to pass up.

Was looking for some reloading dies for a Thompson Encore in 22-250 Rem that I had picked up at the Mesa show a couple weeks ago. Scored a new Redding Competition Bullet Seater die, a new Redding 3-die set and 150 pieces of once fired brass all for $85. Brownell's lists the seater die for $130 and the 3-die set for $106 plus shipping and tax on top of that, so I think I did good there.

I got a box of CCI 41 primers for $50 and a shooter grade 1910 manufactured Winchester 1892 in 32-20 with 90 rounds of loaded ammo for $800, been wanting one for a while.

Got a Sig Romeo Zero for my P365 .380 for just a couple bucks over the best price I could find shipped online, I had it right then and there plus supported a local vendor.

Met up with Tim McBride and company that had a couple tables in the center area, snagged some good stuff they were selling.

This was probably one of the better buying shows I've had in a while.
 
QuietM4 said:
There are usually plain clothes ATF at every gun show…this is nothing new. A couple of years ago I saw two of them badge a private seller with a Barret 50bmg and talk to him for a little bit. I’ve seen the same two agents at every gun show I’ve been to since.

Haven’t been to a Crossroads gunshow since before Covid but at every show there were always two different guys selling guns (a lotta guns) who had tables and both were private sellers who had been doing Crossroads and Ter-Matk forever. I avoided both of them like a radioactive zombies with overbites cuz’ the word around the campfire was these guys were allowed to stay in business due to being snitches. I believed the rumor cuz’ at one show I had a table across from one of them and he moved a lotta triggers.
 
That Guy said:
QuietM4 said:
There are usually plain clothes ATF at every gun show…this is nothing new. A couple of years ago I saw two of them badge a private seller with a Barret 50bmg and talk to him for a little bit. I’ve seen the same two agents at every gun show I’ve been to since.

Haven’t been to a Crossroads gunshow since before Covid but at every show there were always two different guys selling guns (a lotta guns) who had tables and both were private sellers who had been doing Crossroads and Ter-Matk forever. I avoided both of them like a radioactive zombies with overbites cuz’ the word around the campfire was these guys were allowed to stay in business due to being snitches. I believed the rumor cuz’ at one show I had a table across from one of them and he bought and sold a lotta triggers.

IMO ATF sending obvious agents to a gun show is just “showing the flag”. If they really wanted to gather intel and nail people all they’d need to do is set up a table selling paramilitary sh!t and then wait for the goofballs to come up and run their mouths. Or plant somebody behind a counter at an LGS. Or put an informant at a shooting range. Fr’instance one time (and I witnessed this) a GOB showed up at Rio Salado with his unregistered saw-off shotgun. The RSO’s discovered it was illegal and shooed him away but one of them coulda made a note of his vehicle plate and called the Po Po.

Having worked at a couple of AZ gun shops it’s amazing what stupid scheiss people tell you because they think it’s a “safe space”. And that’s EXACTLY how the ATF rolled up those “Viper Militia” clowns in the late 90’s. The ATF made a deal with a large LGS in Phoenix to put an informant behind the counter and a couple of their idjits thought he’d make a good member and “recruited” him. Believe it or not capping off HME and videoing the launching of a rifle grenade ain’t the smartest thing to do in the presence of a gubment informant.
 
Manitu said:
Last gun show purchase in Mesa around 2009 got some nice priced self defense ammo. Then whenever the helicopter lady incident same purchase, dont see much there cant be seen elsewhere. So I suppose guys with a sign on their back selling whatever are why ATF joins in nowadays?

WHY YOU KILL MEEEEEEEEEEE!?!?!?!?!?!
 
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