Apparently, camping is racist

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https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/08/11/nolte-l-a-times-claims-camping-is-racist/?fbclid=IwAR1Qglu3EC0cpeVlhLZZJ7AX0kOF2OTzVQp-CjVZAIJ7OCX9qcREq2R9VIY

National parks have a history of segregation that dates to the 1930s, something that didn’t change until the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Almost all U.S. national parks were originally home to Indigenous populations long before they were set aside as parks. Many of those Native American tribes were pushed off their land, often violently, to create an illusion of untouched landscapes.

Even the Sierra Club, for the first time, in July openly condemned its founder, John Muir, over racist comments in his writings about Black and Indigenous people.

Does someone want to explain to me what 90-year-old segregation policies and what happened to the American Indian more than a 100 years ago and the racist founder of the Sierra Club have to do with how many minorities do or do not camp?
 
It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that whites are more rural types and the vast majority of blacks live in huge cities, nah; that can't have anything to do with it. I actually saw that on the CBS evening lies about a month ago. Every mutha f**king thing is put into a racist box now.
 
Same used to be true of tennis, golf, swimming, ballet, cycling, and shooting == and is still mostly true.
Is the solution to get fewer white people to do those things, or to encourage more black people to do those things?
 
we can probably nip a lot of this accusation,

IF YOU ARE CAUCASIAN, THEN YOU ARE A RACIST, THATS THE MANTRA they are using, so lets ride with it, if we as a ethnic group were in fact racist, its amazing that any of those "others'' are even alive, or free to do as they pleas.
just saying
 
as a long time "not for profit" employee .... some of it is genuinely just economic. It isnt supposed to be skewed against a particular group based on race or ethnicity ... just the poor to some degree.

Guys on this board are notorious for trying to squeeze a dime out of a penny so consider that a Trip to say the Desert Botanical Garden for 2 adults and one child is going to be up around $50 before you have anything to eat or drink or pay for any of the special add on attraction areas which are an extra fee.

Usually these places will have a "free" day once a month probably in order to fulfill some requirement of their 501 status or just to appear to care but they are usually restricted hours and during the week so its not easy to attend.

My mom used to drag the three boys to the Museum of natural history since her days off were during the week. Its what gave me my love of museums but she took us on 2 buses and a subway ride to get there.

Back to economics .. visiting parks, ballet, swimming and other ... well they are leisure activities. you have achieved a certain status where you have some free time and the means to pay for it.

I remember when the people from Guyana came in huge numbers to NY. These guys worked every damn second they had work to do. When they partied they did it painfully hard but mostly .. they worked and they werent going to take time out of clawing for part of the American dream to go walking in a park. These guys worked 2 and three jobs.

No wonder they bought houses and owned businesses faster than any immigrant group I ever saw.

part of it is simply what a culture deems important enough to spend money or time doing. Its no fault of "white" people or people who are not white but enjoy national parks or museums its simply certain people dont consider that a good use of their leisure time.

Hey .. I think Italian Americans are considered white but my gumba buddies in Queens when I went to highschool wouldnt have visited an national parks unless there was a bon fire and booty in the offing. They would have thought it was stupid. Just a cultural thing.

I had a girlfriend once who thought hiking was the Dumbest sh*t a person could do. " you mean you spend hours just walking around" Yup .. she didnt last long. Camping .. even more stupid.

Back to my Guyanese buddies .. They thought having a dog that lived in your house was the most ridiculous thing they could ever see. They would tell me .. "we left Guyana so we wouldn't have to sleep with animals in the house!" Does it mean that dog owners are white racists .. no .. just that the other group doesn't prefer to do it. Its really ok if we don't all enjoy the same things.

Everything is not about Race or ethnicity ... often you will find that it has more to do with social status, disposable income and level of education formal or otherwise and has nothing to do with the boogie man keeping people out. Its more about that certain people have no interest in going. I have never willingly been to a rap concert .. doesn't make them racist.... just doesnt interest me.

Back east as a kid I spent as much time as I could at the beach. Love the water .. a scant couple miles away from where I used to set my towel were housing projects filled with black people .. In all the years I went to the beach .. I may have seen 3 black people on the beach. Why .. Racist!!

Well no it was free .. they apparently didn't like the beach and that is fukin OK.

As someone who is very sensitive to bigotry ... I would call it out if I thought it was there .. it just isnt so.

Having said that .. I left not for profits because I found for the most part they were garbage. I do wish as part of a public institution and tax free they should make more of an effort to open to as many people as they can and the cost of admission to many parks and museums is priced out of reach for many families white black green or other.

I was on the inside and director level and know the reasons but I dont think they should be for just elitist of any color or origin but made more readily available for the average family or they should give up your tax exempt status.

Having said way to much ... National parks are not racist and once everything is called racist it will lose its impact when something actually is.
 
Boriqua said:
once everything is called racist it will lose its impact when something actually is.
We are there.

Now the word "racist" is being used as a punchline, and most are laughing at how stupid it is becoming. The thing is, yeah, some laugh at how ridiculous it is to see racism attached to everything now, as you said, we are becoming callous to actual instances of possible racism around us.
 
The laughable thing about all the racist crap is that "only white people are racist". That is the biggest load of sh!t I've ever seen. I grew up in a mining town in AZ and whites were the minority. I heard the term "pinche gringo" about 10 million times growing up. Total racist crap from them my whole early life. My wife grew up in Ohio and lived through racist crap from blacks just like I did with hispanics. That narrative is complete bullshit.
 
Another thing that proves this is the dumbest "America is racist" fake news story. Most black kids grow up without a father. Who the hell is going to introduce a kid to camping: HIS FATHER, like mine did; duhhhh!
 
Pale Rider said:
Another thing that proves this is the dumbest "America is racist" fake news story. Most black kids grow up without a father. Who the hell is going to introduce a kid to camping: HIS FATHER, like mine did; duhhhh!

I didnt have an old man. I was living in a high crime housing project in NYC and there was a local community center that raised money for partial funding for kids in the area to go to summer camp.

My mom scraped together some dough for the drastically reduced fee and off I went to sleep away camp for 9 weeks!!!

It was freakin AWESOME! I was out of the projects for the whole summer and felt free. There were other near do wells like me there and gobs of White kids which I rarely ever met in the projects. First week was kind of weird because I kept thinking .. when does the fist fighting start.

I fished with a string on a branch and it was the only time in my life I ever managed to pull a fish out of the water. Camping, fishing hiking outdoor craft and even participated in puppet theater and all these white people I never would have met was an eye opening experience for me and is one of the defining moments in my life.

There are ways to make things better. Calling everything racist helps NO ONE!
 
Boriqua said:
Pale Rider said:
Another thing that proves this is the dumbest "America is racist" fake news story. Most black kids grow up without a father. Who the hell is going to introduce a kid to camping: HIS FATHER, like mine did; duhhhh!

I didnt have an old man. I was living in a high crime housing project in NYC and there was a local community center that raised money for partial funding for kids in the area to go to summer camp.

My mom scraped together some dough for the drastically reduced fee and off I went to sleep away camp for 9 weeks!!!

It was freakin AWESOME! I was out of the projects for the whole summer and felt free. There were other near do wells like me there and gobs of White kids which I rarely ever met in the projects. First week was kind of weird because I kept thinking .. when does the fist fighting start.

I fished with a string on a branch and it was the only time in my life I ever managed to pull a fish out of the water. Camping, fishing hiking outdoor craft and even participated in puppet theater and all these white people I never would have met was an eye opening experience for me and is one of the defining moments in my life.

There are ways to make things better. Calling everything racist helps NO ONE!

That's awesome to hear! It would be great if more kids in that situation had the opportunity to do this stuff. Kind of like your experience, it would really open kids eyes up to what else the world has to offer, and the outdoors is so therapeutic. It really recalibrates your mind. If more kids had access to the wilderness, I believe it would make our country a better place as it shapes their lives.
 
Boriqua said:
Pale Rider said:
Another thing that proves this is the dumbest "America is racist" fake news story. Most black kids grow up without a father. Who the hell is going to introduce a kid to camping: HIS FATHER, like mine did; duhhhh!

I didnt have an old man. I was living in a high crime housing project in NYC and there was a local community center that raised money for partial funding for kids in the area to go to summer camp.

My mom scraped together some dough for the drastically reduced fee and off I went to sleep away camp for 9 weeks!!!

It was freakin AWESOME! I was out of the projects for the whole summer and felt free. There were other near do wells like me there and gobs of White kids which I rarely ever met in the projects. First week was kind of weird because I kept thinking .. when does the fist fighting start.

I fished with a string on a branch and it was the only time in my life I ever managed to pull a fish out of the water. Camping, fishing hiking outdoor craft and even participated in puppet theater and all these white people I never would have met was an eye opening experience for me and is one of the defining moments in my life.

There are ways to make things better. Calling everything racist helps NO ONE!

I never know if you're agreeing with someone or trying to start something. I'm just pointing out that TODAY, not 50 years ago like in your situation, the vast majority of kids in the inner city have no father figure to pass on stuff like camping to them. It's a numbers thing. Sure there might be a few that get lucky, but not in any real numbers. To say it's racist, is ignoring reality and just making sh!t up to fit the "America is racist" bullshit.
 
Pale Rider said:
Boriqua said:
Pale Rider said:
Another thing that proves this is the dumbest "America is racist" fake news story. Most black kids grow up without a father. Who the hell is going to introduce a kid to camping: HIS FATHER, like mine did; duhhhh!

I didnt have an old man. I was living in a high crime housing project in NYC and there was a local community center that raised money for partial funding for kids in the area to go to summer camp.

My mom scraped together some dough for the drastically reduced fee and off I went to sleep away camp for 9 weeks!!!

It was freakin AWESOME! I was out of the projects for the whole summer and felt free. There were other near do wells like me there and gobs of White kids which I rarely ever met in the projects. First week was kind of weird because I kept thinking .. when does the fist fighting start.

I fished with a string on a branch and it was the only time in my life I ever managed to pull a fish out of the water. Camping, fishing hiking outdoor craft and even participated in puppet theater and all these white people I never would have met was an eye opening experience for me and is one of the defining moments in my life.

There are ways to make things better. Calling everything racist helps NO ONE!

I never know if you're agreeing with someone or trying to start something. I'm just pointing out that TODAY, not 50 years ago like in your situation, the vast majority of kids in the inner city have no father figure to pass on stuff like camping to them. It's a numbers thing. Sure there might be a few that get lucky, but not in any real numbers. To say it's racist, is ignoring reality and just making sh!t up to fit the "America is racist" bullshit.

Personally, I interpreted it as agreement with you. He even ended by saying, "Calling everything racist helps NO ONE!" It seems like he was just stating how fortunate he was to experience what he did under the circumstances.
 
Pale Rider said:
Boriqua said:
Pale Rider said:
Another thing that proves this is the dumbest "America is racist" fake news story. Most black kids grow up without a father. Who the hell is going to introduce a kid to camping: HIS FATHER, like mine did; duhhhh!

I didnt have an old man. I was living in a high crime housing project in NYC and there was a local community center that raised money for partial funding for kids in the area to go to summer camp.

My mom scraped together some dough for the drastically reduced fee and off I went to sleep away camp for 9 weeks!!!

It was freakin AWESOME! I was out of the projects for the whole summer and felt free. There were other near do wells like me there and gobs of White kids which I rarely ever met in the projects. First week was kind of weird because I kept thinking .. when does the fist fighting start.

I fished with a string on a branch and it was the only time in my life I ever managed to pull a fish out of the water. Camping, fishing hiking outdoor craft and even participated in puppet theater and all these white people I never would have met was an eye opening experience for me and is one of the defining moments in my life.

There are ways to make things better. Calling everything racist helps NO ONE!

I never know if you're agreeing with someone or trying to start something. I'm just pointing out that TODAY, not 50 years ago like in your situation, the vast majority of kids in the inner city have no father figure to pass on stuff like camping to them. It's a numbers thing. Sure there might be a few that get lucky, but not in any real numbers. To say it's racist, is ignoring reality and just making sh!t up to fit the "America is racist" bullshit.

Not trying to start anything at all. I would make it more obvious. Thing is ... I dont buy the tired old excuses. No dad, no this, no that ..... My mom raised 3 boys and I spent the first almost 17 years in inner city housing projects. you know, where all the guys in prison in the inner cities live when they are not in prison.

I was nearly a junior in Highschool by the time I got out.

I was fortunate that my mom took advantage of the opportunity even though she worked STUPID hours in a physically demanding job to send me to that camp or ... I may never have developed a love for the outdoors and honestly ... it was a new experience to be around so many white kids since mostly I saw them on TV and no where else.

The trick was .. the effort was grass roots. The community center offered kindergarten, nursery school and after school programs. It was run by a Black panthers affiliate. Education and success was their mission and they beat it into us everyday. In addition when they canceled all art, gym and music classes at the public school some white hippie college chicks would come into a neighborhood where they were in danger and provided those classes for us when local government said the couldn't afford it. We thought they were crazy.

I believe in altruism, I believe in volunteerism ... give the money to the government to run programs and they steal or misspend the money. It goes into some mysterious vat never to be seen again. Suddenly they are using the money to save endangered turtles.

Im tired of all the excuses including the No father to take you camping.

I do believe in a village to raise a child and it needs to come from the inside. If anything is racist its the thought that poor communities or communities of color cant pull themselves up on their own and solve problems.

Racism is antifa fighting for Black people. Its dems pandering and giving baubles to black people .... that is the real racism!

"Here .. take this free phone and vote for me" that is racism

But big G wants you beholden so they keep giving stuff and offering worthless solutions.

It doesn't work for everyone but .. I am living proof that you can escape with a little help and a bunch of discipline and ass kicking when needed.

I had a great job that paid well that i fought hard for and was much more than I could have ever hoped for. I paid my way through college. My brother is a licensed electrician with his own company, my cousins who grew up in the same place were career Navy. I raised 2 stellar girls both of which are fiercely independent. One works for a military contractor in intelligence the other manages a restaurant.

If me being proud of my success and not making excuses for failure is "starting stuff" Then I guess I am.

Would it be nice to have a picture perfect family with a dad and a dishwasher and stay at home mom .. yea I guess .... but not having those things is no excuse for failure. I watched my dad cut my moms face open with a knife. Guess having one around wouldn't have helped me out much if that was the option.

To succeed you need teeth and a willingness to fight. Not sorry old excuses or handouts. Maybe a hand up but never handouts.

There is a great line in the movie "the Thirteenth warrior" It is similar to a bunch of other literary references but I liked it in the movie.

In it there is a point where one of the large vikings throws Bandaras a broad sword before a battle.

He winces and says .."but this sword is to heavy" to which the viking replies ..."then grow stronger"

I dont want to hear .. and my girls knew not to even think it .. but I dont want to hear ..

but its harder because I am a woman, I am a spic, I am a black, I got no father I got no uncle ....

"then grow stronger"
 
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