A mass shooting that didn't happen

[smithers599]

https://concealednation.org/2022/05/breaking-woman-uses-concealed-handgun-to-stop-mass-shooting-killing-the-suspect-who-had-ar-15/

 

[BigNate]

Thanks for sharing. There are more of these than we know - they don't receive the hype that the other stories do...

 

[xerts1191]

Smithers is the only one shedding any light on this one

 

[thom]

Yes Smithers is. He is the only member with enough time to follow the different websites.

 

[Cmoor]

Statistics show far more lives are saved each year by good guys with guns than bad guys killing innocent people.

 

[BigNate]

Statistics show far more lives are saved each year by good guys with guns than bad guys killing innocent people.

I suspect that most of the folks here understand this. The problem is that huge portions of the population never hear that message - because the agenda within the mainstream media is to paint the exact opposite picture.

Unfortunately it appears that pro-gun organizations tend to focus on speaking to pro-gun people - and us pro-gun folks, while we tend to support their efforts, are not the ones that need to be reached.

 

[oldslurrydog1]

Statistics show far more lives are saved each year by good guys with guns than bad guys killing innocent people.

Any stat report links to corroborate that statement?

 

[smithers599]

Statistics show far more lives are saved each year by good guys with guns than bad guys killing innocent people.

Any stat report links to corroborate that statement?

Google John Lott Defensive Gun Uses

ETA -- Well, not Google. Use DuckDuckGo.

 

[Tenring]

Statistics show far more lives are saved each year by good guys with guns than bad guys killing innocent people.

Any stat report links to corroborate that statement?

https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/firearms/defensive-gun-uses-in-the-us/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=thf-fb&fbclid=IwAR0CC6MhkFIBQwPL0kVPi8M5ERS96stxjndwSA_Z9gIrNr3fsYoExYsViT8

There are more, many more, stat sources, but they are tough to find. Why would that be.......A few years ago, I dug a bunch up, ill see if I can remember where they hid them.

 

[Tenring]

Cmoor's statement is on target:

Citizens use their firearms between 500,000 and 3 million times each year


https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent

 

[kenpoprofessor]

I suspect that most of the folks here understand this. The problem is that huge portions of the population never hear that message - because the agenda within the mainstream media is to paint the exact opposite picture.

Unfortunately it appears that pro-gun organizations tend to focus on speaking to pro-gun people - and us pro-gun folks, while we tend to support their efforts, are not the ones that need to be reached.

Some folks say they're "pro gun", but, when you ask them it's all about, but, you don't need this or that, or, I believe in the 2A but...................... I know of many demonrats who own guns, hell, look at the other board with AZ in the title. Lots of commies got guns, but they're certainly not "pro gun", nor pro rights. FUDDS is what we generally call them, they own a shotgun and a rifled scope and perceive that to be what the 2A is about.


Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[pneuby]

Breitbart linked the article this a/m, but I didn't check anywhere else.

 

[Cmoor]

Thanks for the above references. I also remember reading FBI stats several years ago supporting the same thing. I heard when other countries like England and Australia started doing their bans the homicide rate went up even though homicides by guns went down. Bottom line if homicide rates went up you were more likely to die. Does the method really matter to the dead person or their loved ones? Guns are not the problem. Modern sporting rifles are only a threat to animals and tyrants.

 

[Tenring]

I suspect that most of the folks here understand this. The problem is that huge portions of the population never hear that message - because the agenda within the mainstream media is to paint the exact opposite picture.

Unfortunately it appears that pro-gun organizations tend to focus on speaking to pro-gun people - and us pro-gun folks, while we tend to support their efforts, are not the ones that need to be reached.

Some folks say they're "pro gun", but, when you ask them it's all about, but, you don't need this or that, or, I believe in the 2A but...................... I know of many demonrats who own guns, hell, look at the other board with AZ in the title. Lots of commies got guns, but they're certainly not "pro gun", nor pro rights. FUDDS is what we generally call them, they own a shotgun and a rifled scope and perceive that to be what the 2A is about.


Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

Agreed - FUDDS pretend to be something they are not, the type to attack you from behind when you are not looking.

 

[oldslurrydog1]

Statistics show far more lives are saved each year by good guys with guns than bad guys killing innocent people.

Any stat report links to corroborate that statement?

https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/firearms/defensive-gun-uses-in-the-us/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=thf-fb&fbclid=IwAR0CC6MhkFIBQwPL0kVPi8M5ERS96stxjndwSA_Z9gIrNr3fsYoExYsViT8

There are more, many more, stat sources, but they are tough to find. Why would that be.......A few years ago, I dug a bunch up, ill see if I can remember where they hid them.

My point is that he needs to show his evidence for his statement. Not up to me to do his research.

 

[oldslurrydog1]

Statistics show far more lives are saved each year by good guys with guns than bad guys killing innocent people.

Any stat report links to corroborate that statement?

Google John Lott Defensive Gun Uses

ETA -- Well, not Google. Use DuckDuckGo.

Not up to me to Google anything. He made the statement, he needs to support his statement.

 

[Tenring]

John Lott: Defensive Gun Uses ‘Four or Five Times More Common than Gun Crimes’

"He points to a grouping of 17 surveys that find “between 760,000 defensive handgun uses and 3.6 million defensive uses of any type of gun per year, with an average of about 2 million.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/23/john-lott-defensive-gun-uses-four-or-five-times-more-common-than-gun-crimes/

 

[Cmoor]

Any stat report links to corroborate that statement?

Google John Lott Defensive Gun Uses

ETA -- Well, not Google. Use DuckDuckGo.

Not up to me to Google anything. He made the statement, he needs to support his statement.

Karenslurrydog You have been given several references stop your childish whining... :violin:

I don't have to support anything, I can say what ever I want if you want to fact check me go for it. lol Put your big boy panties on and do it. It is your responsibility to determine if what you read or hear is true, not the person making a statement. Is this some soy-boy millennial rule that it's up to someone else to do your google foo... Supply your link to where everyone has to supply a back up to their statement? Also give us a back up for their authority and why we are bound by it.

 

[Tenring]

Amy Swearer has some great information packed commentary's regarding defensive gun use, really like this girl:

https://www.heritage.org/staff/amy-swearer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9AfhdKLNDA

 

[Drmark]

My point is that he needs to show his evidence for his statement. Not up to me to do his research.

Since when does a statement require references?