Steel bullet bans
- Mauser98
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Re: Steel bullet bans
You guys are still not quite getting it.
At Rio and Ben Avery they now have the same rules because it's done by Game & Fish. Furthermore, they are actively checking everyone's ammo, so it's not a question of shooting at the steel or not shooting at the steel. Also shooting at the steel has nothing to do with whether the bullet is steel. They're not armor-piercing, just have soft steel cores or jackets.
This rule change happened within the last month. For instance, they walked up to a girl shooting her AK and told her to stop.
At Rio and Ben Avery they now have the same rules because it's done by Game & Fish. Furthermore, they are actively checking everyone's ammo, so it's not a question of shooting at the steel or not shooting at the steel. Also shooting at the steel has nothing to do with whether the bullet is steel. They're not armor-piercing, just have soft steel cores or jackets.
This rule change happened within the last month. For instance, they walked up to a girl shooting her AK and told her to stop.
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Re: Steel bullet bans
I swear ranges have enacted more bans on ammunition than politicians. Should have known their attitude turn around was too good to be true. Fudds will be fudds i guess.
- Mauser98
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Re: Steel bullet bans
This time it's not the range officers. They've been rather polite about it, and it's a game & fish rule.
Hitler's inner circle doesn't work there anymore.
Hitler's inner circle doesn't work there anymore.
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Re: Steel bullet bans
I just read through the rules on Ben Avery and saw no sort of ban. Can you give me a link to the rule?
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Re: Steel bullet bans
I was at Rio this morning shooting my AR and AK....no one questioned the type of ammo I was shooting. There were other shooters on the line shooting AK/SKS....not RO's bothered them.
It is in the rules at Rio;
16.NOSTEEL CORE, TRACER, ARMOR PIERCING OR INCENDIARY AMMUNITION OF ANY KIND IS ALLOWED.
Seems like a decent rule for an outdoor shooting range in the desert. Steel core ammo can cause sparks, sparks cause fire.
It is in the rules at Rio;
16.NOSTEEL CORE, TRACER, ARMOR PIERCING OR INCENDIARY AMMUNITION OF ANY KIND IS ALLOWED.
Seems like a decent rule for an outdoor shooting range in the desert. Steel core ammo can cause sparks, sparks cause fire.
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Re: Steel bullet bans
What about steel CASED ammo that has is lead core with copper jacket? Is it banned?
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Re: Steel bullet bans
I don't think this is as big of a deal as the OP thinks it is... There doesn't seem to be any such rule at Ben Avery. It looks like the Rio has had the rule for a while, but there's only a one (second or third hand) report of it actually being enforced.
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Re: Steel bullet bans
That's because there isn't one. The only rule that comes close is steel shot is banned for shotguns.TheAccountant wrote: ↑August 10th, 2019, 8:33 pm I just read through the rules on Ben Avery and saw no sort of ban. Can you give me a link to the rule?
- Mauser98
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Re: Steel bullet bans
Really? Because I was there today, and when I signed in they made me open my bag, take out my ammo, remove it from the magazine, and give it to the range officer. A magnet was placed against the bullet, and then I was allowed to go in.QuietM4 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2019, 9:51 pm I was at Rio this morning shooting my AR and AK....no one questioned the type of ammo I was shooting. There were other shooters on the line shooting AK/SKS....not RO's bothered them.
It is in the rules at Rio;
16.NOSTEEL CORE, TRACER, ARMOR PIERCING OR INCENDIARY AMMUNITION OF ANY KIND IS ALLOWED.
Seems like a decent rule for an outdoor shooting range in the desert. Steel core ammo can cause sparks, sparks cause fire.
- Mauser98
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Re: Steel bullet bans
I don't have any first-hand info about Ben Avery. I was just told that by one of the RSOs at Rio.
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Re: Steel bullet bans
Don't know what to tell you man...maybe you look like the kind of person who shoots steel core ammo. Or maybe they don't like you.Mauser98 wrote: ↑August 11th, 2019, 7:21 pmReally? Because I was there today, and when I signed in they made me open my bag, take out my ammo, remove it from the magazine, and give it to the range officer. A magnet was placed against the bullet, and then I was allowed to go in.QuietM4 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2019, 9:51 pm I was at Rio this morning shooting my AR and AK....no one questioned the type of ammo I was shooting. There were other shooters on the line shooting AK/SKS....not RO's bothered them.
It is in the rules at Rio;
16.NOSTEEL CORE, TRACER, ARMOR PIERCING OR INCENDIARY AMMUNITION OF ANY KIND IS ALLOWED.
Seems like a decent rule for an outdoor shooting range in the desert. Steel core ammo can cause sparks, sparks cause fire.
Either way, it doesn't really matter. It's their range, their rules. Don't bring steel core ammo.
- Mauser98
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Re: Steel bullet bans
They love me. I give the range officers heart palpatations.QuietM4 wrote: ↑August 11th, 2019, 7:28 pmDon't know what to tell you man...maybe you look like the kind of person who shoots steel core ammo. Or maybe they don't like you.Mauser98 wrote: ↑August 11th, 2019, 7:21 pmReally? Because I was there today, and when I signed in they made me open my bag, take out my ammo, remove it from the magazine, and give it to the range officer. A magnet was placed against the bullet, and then I was allowed to go in.QuietM4 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2019, 9:51 pm I was at Rio this morning shooting my AR and AK....no one questioned the type of ammo I was shooting. There were other shooters on the line shooting AK/SKS....not RO's bothered them.
It is in the rules at Rio;
16.NOSTEEL CORE, TRACER, ARMOR PIERCING OR INCENDIARY AMMUNITION OF ANY KIND IS ALLOWED.
Seems like a decent rule for an outdoor shooting range in the desert. Steel core ammo can cause sparks, sparks cause fire.
Either way, it doesn't really matter. It's their range, their rules. Don't bring steel core ammo.
Re: Steel bullet bans
Never heard of this at PRGC either other than the gongs at 200 yards. There was talk about steel case ammo not being allowed but I clean the main range every week there and the high power when I have time to clean the steel cases up. There is no evidence of fires at the club either caused by steel core but I actually witnesses one start on Table Mesa a couple years ago from someone shooting 855 ball. I think at the ranges it is not a problem and there is little vegetation to burn and people mostly hit the berms.
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Re: Steel bullet bans
It beats up the steel and can cause sparks.
Yep