Why not Video Games?

[Solar_Empire]

Video games are popular because of the massive entertainment to cost ratio. A single $60 game can provide thousands of hours of entertainment. For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s there is no equivalent. Don't get me wrong, i don't agree with playing video game 24/7 but in a free society people are free to do stuff you wont like.

f***!...you played that much.

Bullshit!


Honestly the only proposal I have heard that would make a difference without infringement would be eliminating the scrubbing of your juvenile record. We have a background check system but are short circulating it by allowing troubled youth to get a clean slate at 18.

Just like violent VGs, this is part of the problem

But just like porn, alcohol and tobacco, there should laws against minors purchasing and even playing violent VGs. I really believe if the violence were removed from VGs they would fade away.

Someone else already mentioned this but you ignored it so again, you realize there is a thing called an ESRB (entertainment software rating board) right? There is already a system in place that prevents minors from purchasing this game. The reality is parents are lazy and buy their kids whatever they want to shut them up and be the "cool" parent.

The same argument you are using for VGs is the same one the left is using for guns, it's almost sad that your brain can't make the connection...or maybe you are actually someone who wants certain guns banned because they look scary. I'll never understand the human capacity to blame objects for problems.

If you think that laws against porn, alcohol, and tobacco are keeping minors from getting them I have some reallllly bad news for you. Just like gun laws, they don't work but it doesn't stop people like you from advocating for the passing of thousands of laws that do nothing but crap on the 99% who indulge in those things and are productive law abiding members of society.

[Basher]

^^^I had a response typed up earlier, but I didn’t post it because I couldn’t find a way to call the OP an idiot without coming off like an ass. Glad you went with your gut!

Folks, just like the other vices mentioned, VGs are already regulated/rated, just like movies. How many kids do you think sneak into movies, or have their parents buy a ticket to one movie and then let the kid go to another? My folks bought a friend and I a ticket to some other movie so we could go see We Were Soldiers when it was in theaters.

It ain’t the game’s fault, it’s the poor parenting or self-regulation/self-control, period. Just like guns, board games, books, movies, whatever. They’re a tool/product, nothing more. Burn ‘em, ban ‘em, try whatever you want. People will still get access to them, and by and large the VAAAAAAAAAAST majority of people who partake of these products do so without any thoughts or intentions of ill-will towards others ever crossing their mind.

But y’all keep chasing those red herrings, just like the libs. At least it makes you “feel” good, right?

[Tim McBride]

2019 America is an amazingly safe place to live. The murder rate is very low, even property crime is relatively low.

The only people pimping the idea of a dangerous America are the media and politicians.

The current murder rate is HALF of the 1980 peak.

[XNARC]

If the nutty left has a big influence in Hollywood and the media, then violent movies, culture, will never be questioned , and the media will continue to portray guns as the problem, not the culture or influence by eroding of morals. Just as they portray the conservative bible clutching gun toting man as being toxic.

These are the days of bizzaro world, where history is being rewritten, good is now bad, God is evil, thugs are heroes, the police have become the problem, borders are inhumane, people must not be self reliant but rather be dependent upon the state, terms like brave and courageous are reserved for million dollar athletes who celebrate their homosexuality.

[XNARC]

Maybe just tin-foil information, from the Internet...

From “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court

[shooter444]

If the nutty left has a big influence in Hollywood and the media, then violent movies, culture, will never be questioned , and the media will continue to portray guns as the problem, not the culture or influence by eroding of morals. Just as they portray the conservative bible clutching gun toting man as being toxic.

These are the days of bizzaro world, where history is being rewritten, good is now bad, God is evil, thugs are heroes, the police have become the problem, borders are inhumane, people must not be self reliant but rather be dependent upon the state, terms like brave and courageous are reserved for million dollar athletes who celebrate their homosexuality.

I quoted your post above, because I think it was worth pointing out, good post imo.



I really only wanted to comment on how some guys here will claim the VG's, as innocent, without any affect on children, because they don't experience any from personally playing, extensively.

Yet, in the same breathe these guys will say that it is a parenting problem, because the parents use VG's to babysit a problematic child, which has bad results.

Hmmm,... I don't think you guys can have it both ways! If you are correct, in that, VG's have no affect on borderline reality tweaked children minds,... then, there would be no bad results with proper parenting, or not!

I think, as the numbers were suggested by Tim McBride,... the percentage of children, or child like minded adults, who are triggered by VG's,... is minuscule! But, knowing that ANYTHING can be a TRIGGER for the TWEAKED,... I will not exclude VG's as one trigger source,... no matter how minuscule.

[TomPHX]

Violent video games are the AR15 of the first amendment.

BTW the same people who want to take our guns also want to take our violent video games.

[shooter444]

TomPHX post_id=27073 time=1565561204 user_id=647]
Violent video games are the AR15 of the first amendment.


Could you give a guy a little help? I have no idea what the above, in yellow, means.


BTW the same people who want to take our guns also want to take our violent video games.

Hmmm,... call me out of touch, but, I thought it is the conservatives publishing warnings against VG's and the sick minds they affect, that do mass killings,... and,... the Deep State Demonscats blaming the guns, for the same?

[knockonit]

2019 America is an amazingly safe place to live. The murder rate is very low, even property crime is relatively low.

The only people pimping the idea of a dangerous America are the media and politicians.

The current murder rate is HALF of the 1980 peak.

lol, its because those generations are too dang stupid and lazy to actually do something, think about it, there is a correlation there or something isn't there

[nimrag]

[17-21-23]

LOL.

Wait, you’re not going to call out violent movies? Boxing? MMA? Rap? Death metal? Comic books? How are these any different?

I believe they have something to do with it. Parenting is going down hill and games, movies,MMA, Rap they are all getting worse with no parental control. At least back when I was growing up parents made an attempt to stop.you from them but now what ever shuts you up seems like a good baby sitter.

[Traveler2]

It's not just video games...They do desensitize people to violence, but so do violent movies. It's also simple lack of human contact. One of the reasons people can be assholes to each other on these boards is because it's not face-to-face. Some of you might talk a big game, but saying s*** to a real person, face to face, is a lot different.

These basement dwelling, anti-social murders have spent their lives looking down at screens and not interacting with real people. They don't have simple empathy, respect or connections to real people. Just look at your kids when they forget they are talking to their friends on the xbox vs talking to dad.

I grew up on westerns and war movies. I had guns, like most of you did, at a very early age. I never, ever contemplated anything like what these people do and neither did most of you. But, we had real friends, spent most of our time in school or outside playing. We weren't spending 8 hours a day staring at the screen, were we out playing "war" or "cowboys and Indians" with real people.

This man gets it—- my thoughts exactly

My wife comes from a big family and at family gatherings I noticed when I would interact with some of the many nieces/nephews ask them about school, ect, I would often get one word replies and appear somewhat anxious that I was engaging them in conversation— now these are the ‘gamers’. Ask them about a new COD game or whatever and then you may see a spark of conversation.

Now not all are like this but seeing the difference in my hardcore gamer nephew and another nephew who is a jock with a cutie GF is day and night.

[chicoandzeus]

I remember watching shows like the A-Team when I was a kid. Plenty of guns and explosions but no one ever dies. At least it wasn't focused on. Cartoons were violent too but again no death. I do feel that today's kids are exposed to way more graphic imagery and they are losing their innocence because of it.

[Doc Holliday]

8-10 hours a day, rage music and foul language blasting in the headphones.
No surprise how he will turn out. Here's your next school shooter.

[Basher]

8-10 hours a day, rage music and foul language blasting in the headphones.
No surprise how he will turn out. Here's your next school shooter.

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See, while I don’t think gaming in and of itself is the problem, THAT kind of game play (hours upon hours) with the “right” (meaning wrong) kind of people WILL have a negative effect, I think. The majority of my game time is with a small, core group of guys. We enjoy the time together, but most of us are LDS, so foul and hateful language isn’t present, and we’re just in it for a good time. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that kind of thing, IMO.

But yeah, all-day game-a-thons every weekend and every night after homework is going to have an effect to some degree, I’ll buy that. Depends on the individuals mental makeup as well, but perhaps the best way I can say it is that such intense exposure, with the right individual, could have some dire outcomes. The problem is predicting who the “right” individuals are...