ATF hunting down imported $20 Chinese Glock auto sears

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ATF hunting down imported $20 Chinese Glock auto sears

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Some of you are aware of the phone buying app called WISH, which advertizes all sorts of cheapo Chinese crap. About 18 months ago, they had Glock auto sears advertized on there, and the ads stayed up for a few months. Apparently many thousands of people ordered them.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/23/us/atf-a ... index.html

(CNN)Federal authorities suspect that thousands of machine gun conversion devices have been illegally imported into the United States from China, in some cases ending up in the hands of convicted felons, CNN has learned.

Agents with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are actively working to locate the devices and retrieve them.

Brad Engelbert, an ATF spokesman, described the nationwide recovery effort as a "high priority" for the agency, focused on those devices in the possession of "people who may be a danger to the community."

"We're working it," Engelbert said. "We want to nip this in the bud. We want to get these things off the street."

He declined to provide details about the number of devices recovered, but said some had been taken from convicted felons.

ATF and customs officials in Chicago identified more than 2,900 packages containing conversion devices "that are believed to have been shipped into the United States" under false customs declarations, according to an affidavit filed in federal court in Rhode Island. The devices render semi-automatic Glock pistols into fully automatic weapons and are considered a machine gun in and of themselves under federal law. While the devices are specifically designed to modify Glock pistols, Engelbert, the ATF spokesman, stressed that they are not manufactured by Glock.

PayPal accounts linked to the suspected Chinese exporter -- "revealed over 3,800 sales transactions by US customers who are believed to have illegally purchased and obtained" the weapons, according to court records.

Agents with the ATF's Internet Investigations Center recently purchased "multiple" conversion devices from a website "believed to be operated out of China" by one or more suspects, according to the affidavit. The conversion devices were sold for $19.99 each and advertised as "Glock Pistols Select of switch Full Auto For All models Glock all Generations."

Shipping labels, however, described them as "MULTITOOL SWITCH" and/or "HANDCRAFTED FINISHED PIECES."

It is illegal for civilians in the United States to possess machine guns manufactured after 1986. Ownership of a machine gun made before then requires a federal permit and registration. The relatively small amount of fully automatic weapons available for purchase has created a niche market in which they can sell for tens of thousands of dollars.

Jill Snyder, a recently retired supervisory agent with ATF, said the fact that there's no lawful use for the devices raises troubling questions about who is attempting to acquire them.

"They're not for hunting," she told CNN. "They're not for home protection." Rather, Snyder said, she worried they may appeal to criminals interested in "drive-bys and mass shootings."

Attempting to locate and recover them, she said, presents an obvious danger: "You've got agents knocking on the doors of people potentially armed with fully automatic weapons."

Among the Chinese website's suspected customers is a convicted felon from Rhode Island named David Poole, according to court records. Poole is suspected of purchasing at least two of the devices and was charged earlier this month in federal court in Providence with being a felon in possession of a weapon and possession of a machine gun.

Poole is described in court records as "a known drug user" with eight previous arrests and a 2014 felony conviction for receiving stolen property.

According to court records, he recently provided his girlfriend cash to buy him four guns, including three Glock pistols, totaling more than $2,500 in value. Poole was arrested shortly after the devices for converting Glocks to automatic weapons were delivered to his home, the records state.

Poole allegedly told agents he acquired the devices "for home protection."

Contacted by CNN, Poole's attorney declined comment. The case is pending.

In April, agents raided a home in Missouri linked to man suspected of buying 13 conversion kits from the website of a Chinese company. The company is not identified in the court filing, but language used to advertise the devices matches that on the site referred to in the Rhode Island court affidavit.
Records obtained via a search warrant revealed that Garnell Carter used his PayPal account to purchase the devices, according to an affidavit filed in St. Louis federal court.

Agents seized six of the devices and found packaging "consistent with Carter having received more" of the devices.

One occupant of the house told agents Carter said he knew how to convert Glock pistols to automatic weapons and offered to do so for the person, the affidavit states.

Carter has pleaded not guilty. His attorney also declined comment when contacted by CNN.
The conversion devices have also been recovered in Illinois and California, according to court filings and news accounts.

Snyder, who most recently ran the San Francisco Division of the ATF before retiring from the agency last fall, said she previously worked on cases involving similar devices being illegally exported from the Philippines.

She said the devices don't have serial numbers on them and are impossible to track if not recovered in the possession of the original purchaser. She added that, just because ATF was aware of one company's sales, that doesn't mean that there aren't others going undetected.

"That sounds like a significant number," she said of the ongoing investigation into the Chinese website. "How many other thousands are there that we don't know about?"


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The only way to make sure they are not used is to outlaw Glocks.
That would take care of it.
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No need to worry. They are illegal to begin with. No one would dare use them.




Seriously though, if the gooberment would enforce customs laws 3/4 of the s*** from China would be returned or destroyed due to fake or fraudulent declarations sheets attached to the item. I've not seen one thing orderd from China with a proper and truthful declaration sheet. They always lie as to the contents. For no reason at all cause the s*** is legal.
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don't buy on the internet
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Hmmm,... anyone remember FAST & FURIOUS?

Let's see, 18 months of advertising, amounting to 2,900 sales,... and they have the balls to claim,...

"We're working it," Engelbert said. "We want to nip this in the bud. We want to get these things off the street."

Now,... just treating this as a sting operation / hypothetical,... I think entrapping / charging almost three thousand gun owners with a felony is not a bad haul for a couple months work.

Just My Cynical Opinion.

p.s.,... just another thought, ... seems that purchases over the internet should be a walk in the park to track down, shouldn't take more than a week, imo. Or, maybe they are waiting for a mass shooting, when the anti-gun propaganda factor would be more politically advantageous.
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Now wait a minute. I can be in possession of a auto sear group for the ar15. But as soon as I drill the extra hole in the lower to accept it I'm in violation. How is having a glock full auto sear in my possession and not put it in a gun a problem. If so they said they could fall into the hands of a felon right. Well under what they are talking about as soon as it touches your hands your a felon. So what's really going on?
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While CURRENTLY you will likely not be prosecuted for having an M16 trigger group, that was not the case for many decades. Only in recent years has that changed. A few famous cases have set precedent with language that says (in essence) any part or collection of parts that are designed exclusively for use in or in making a machinegu is in fact a machinegun. How this applies to some parts and not others can be a messy disection of "intent" and whether some parts are useful in non-machineguns as well as the giggle toys.
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That's the problem with my internet ineptitude. I never get in on the cool stuff, like Glock auto-sears. Heck, I never even hear about the cool stuff until it is too late. Damn.
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