UTAH MAN WINS STAY IN LOOMING FEDERAL BUMP STOCK BAN

If it doesn't fit the topic in any of the other forums, and is firearm-related, put it here!
Post Reply
User avatar
Suck My Glock
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 8964
Joined: May 25th, 2018, 3:01 pm
Reputation: 8
Location: Peoria

UTAH MAN WINS STAY IN LOOMING FEDERAL BUMP STOCK BAN

#1

Post by Suck My Glock »

https://www.guns.com/news/2019/03/22/lo ... kirfB3SK-E



The U.S. 10th Circuit on Thursday issued a temporary stay of the pending federal bump stock ban set to take effect next week.

The stay comes in the case of Utah gun rights advocate W. Clark Aposhian, backed by the nonprofit New Civil Liberties Alliance, which takes issue with how government regulators moved to outlaw the devices last year. As such, it blocks enforcement, set to take effect on March 26, only against Aposhian while his case is in the courts.

“Today the Court of Appeals told the ATF that it could not rush through the bump stock ban without meaningful judicial review,” said Caleb Kruckenberg, NCLA’s litigation counsel, in a statement to Guns.com. “The Court understands the stakes and is refusing to let an innocent owner be declared a felon, as scheduled.”

The lawsuit, filed in January in a Salt Lake City U.S. District Court, challenges the proper role of administrative agencies– such as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives– and whether their regulations may contradict a law passed by Congress, specifically the definition of a “machine gun” as set by lawmakers in 1934 and 1968. The case argues that ATF essentially rewrote the definition as set out by previous laws, something that was not in the agency’s power to do.

Going back to 2017, regulators had researched federal law to determine if certain bump stock devices fall within the definition of “machine gun,” which led to President Trump last February to order the Department of Justice to craft regulations to “write out” the devices himself. Since then, the primary maker of bump stocks in the country stopped taking orders for the controversial devices, although they were still readily available from dealers until this week.

Attorneys for Aposhian further argue that the government is also retroactively punishing otherwise lawful purchasers of the devices– with punishable up to 10 years in federal prison for first-time offenders– who may not hear about the ban before it turns them into felons.

While U.S. District Judge Jill N. Parrish, a 2015 appointment by President Obama, turned away Aposhian’s request for an injunction on Wednesday, saying his case has “not shown a likelihood of success,” NCLA filed an emergency request to the 10th Circuit who granted the injunction. Both sides have until March 29 to file a further response with the court.

“The Court’s decision to stay the bump stock rule is an important recognition of the high stakes in this case,” noted NCLA. “While the order is limited, the Court recognizes that Mr. Aposhian has raised a substantial basis to question the rule’s validity.”

Several other cases, filed immediately after the rule was signed by then-Acting U.S. Attorney General Matthew Whitaker in December, are also seeking injunctions with mixed results. One such effort, the cases of FPC v. Whitaker and Guedes v. BATFE, will be heard by the D.C. Court of Appeals on Friday morning.

As many as 500,000 of the devices are believed to be in circulation.

*This article has been updated from the original to be clear that the temporary stay is only for Aposhian, not for all bump stock owners. *


User avatar
Pro2a
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 926
Joined: May 14th, 2018, 4:21 pm
Reputation: 12
Location: Buckeye

Re: UTAH MAN WINS STAY IN LOOMING FEDERAL BUMP STOCK BAN

#2

Post by Pro2a »

Well hell, just one guy???
What can’t it be et al. ?
User avatar
XJThrottle
ArizonaShooting.org Bronze Supporter
ArizonaShooting.org Bronze Supporter
Posts: 2899
Joined: June 26th, 2018, 5:43 pm
Reputation: 7
Location: Phoemex

Re: UTAH MAN WINS STAY IN LOOMING FEDERAL BUMP STOCK BAN

#3

Post by XJThrottle »

Several very long threads on other gun sites about more broad stays.
User avatar
shooter444
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 1790
Joined: May 14th, 2018, 1:17 pm
Reputation: 6
Location: Az desert

Re: UTAH MAN WINS STAY IN LOOMING FEDERAL BUMP STOCK BAN

#4

Post by shooter444 »

This statement,...

“Today the Court of Appeals told the ATF that it could not rush through the bump stock ban without meaningful judicial review,”

..., is what gives me hope!

If this becomes the new legal ruling standard, it could hopefully open Pandora's Box and allow past illegal unilateral actions by ATFEA to be revisited!
User avatar
Crippledtrigger
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 1326
Joined: May 14th, 2018, 2:20 pm
Reputation: 1
Location: AZ. via TX.

Re: UTAH MAN WINS STAY IN LOOMING FEDERAL BUMP STOCK BAN

#5

Post by Crippledtrigger »

Remember this only applys to one guy. Everyone else will be a criminal.
Ranger1
Banned
Banned
Posts: 634
Joined: July 18th, 2018, 5:00 pm
Reputation: 0
Location: Phoenix

Re: UTAH MAN WINS STAY IN LOOMING FEDERAL BUMP STOCK BAN

#6

Post by Ranger1 »

Well I guess you better bury your somewhere until things get settled!
User avatar
XJThrottle
ArizonaShooting.org Bronze Supporter
ArizonaShooting.org Bronze Supporter
Posts: 2899
Joined: June 26th, 2018, 5:43 pm
Reputation: 7
Location: Phoemex

Re: UTAH MAN WINS STAY IN LOOMING FEDERAL BUMP STOCK BAN

#7

Post by XJThrottle »

Crippledtrigger wrote: March 26th, 2019, 9:35 am Remember this only applys to one guy. Everyone else will be a criminal.
There is more than one occurrence of this. Several other GROUPS have had similar rulings.
User avatar
shooter444
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 1790
Joined: May 14th, 2018, 1:17 pm
Reputation: 6
Location: Az desert

Re: UTAH MAN WINS STAY IN LOOMING FEDERAL BUMP STOCK BAN

#8

Post by shooter444 »

My point is,... ATFEA protocols are not being followed, and haven't been followed for many years. If a ruling can come gown on them for legislating without authority,... that would open the flood gates for others to bring action for past violations.

This isn't about one person, or, one suit,... it is about their infringement actions in the past, and prevention of repeating such, in the future!

This is more important than a stupid damn bump stock!,..imo
User avatar
storage_man
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 409
Joined: May 19th, 2018, 5:53 am
Reputation: 4
Location: Phoenix

Re: UTAH MAN WINS STAY IN LOOMING FEDERAL BUMP STOCK BAN

#9

Post by storage_man »

I whole hardly agree. I hope that it can move forward and trash one or more .gov agency's.
Ranger1
Banned
Banned
Posts: 634
Joined: July 18th, 2018, 5:00 pm
Reputation: 0
Location: Phoenix

Re: UTAH MAN WINS STAY IN LOOMING FEDERAL BUMP STOCK BAN

#10

Post by Ranger1 »

Well what's going to happen now??

So today on fox news supreme court decides NOT to stop bump stock ban.
User avatar
Crippledtrigger
ArizonaShooting.org Member
ArizonaShooting.org Member
Posts: 1326
Joined: May 14th, 2018, 2:20 pm
Reputation: 1
Location: AZ. via TX.

Re: UTAH MAN WINS STAY IN LOOMING FEDERAL BUMP STOCK BAN

#11

Post by Crippledtrigger »

The supreme court's made NO ruling on the ban. It only refused to issue an injunction to freeze the implementation until the cases made it thru the system.

This is because the people with standing in the cases, for the most part, already have such stays in effect to stop the Enforcement of the ban on plaintiffs.

Like I said earlier regarding the Utah [State?] That stay only is for that plaintiff. Other cases may have stays that only apply to those plaintiffs.

Who knows how they will rule if a case makes it to them. It depends on the case but I hope the only case to get there will be regarding the constitutional ability and or limitations of an agency's writing of regulations to enforce federal law and if they can waffle on their own previous rulings. That's the ultimate question here as its the root of all evil batfe bs. I doubt very seriously, no matter how much we hate the 2 big gun control laws or how much we want to see them go away, that such a case brought before this court would be a slam dunk especially with a couple justices penchant for not changing decades old laws that have been previously ruled upon. Cough chief justice Robert's cough.
Post Reply