Liberty Safe finks out on customers with the feds

[Tenring]

[Drmark]

I have no ill will toward Liberty...NEARLY EVERY safe company does this...Liberty just happened to get exposed for doing it. They shouldn't need a subpoena, because they shouldn't retain that info.

This. I would bet nearlyevery safe manufacturer would have done the same exact thing Liberty did, they just were the first to get "exposed" doing it. I bet Liberty's competition will start singing the "we wouldnt do that, we don't do that" PR now - even though they totally would have. Dance around with the silly memes, boycott, and be "shocked and outraged" all you want - but lets be real.

The reaction to this is hilarious, cause I bet all these people dumping their liberties (or saying they are going to) will buy another companies safe - that would do the same thing. The best we can hope for is maybe this will change some internal policies at Liberty (and other manufacturers) to make this harder to do. But, in the grand scheme of things - if "they" want in your safe - they will get in your safe.

Really? This is all bullshit! Liberty f*** rolled over, and everyone is ok with this s***? Just like common sense gun laws, and red flag laws?

I hate Apple due to their left-wing views, but they never caved in regarding civil rights, and I applaud them for that!

What happened to integrity? Gone like a chicks virginity on Prom night?

The fact is Liberty f*** up, and should have made the feds work for their agenda, and they didn't. Just because "all" safe manufacturers supposedly retain original combinations, codes, doesn't mean they'd cave.

I just got off the phone with American Security, and guess what? My information was purged from their system before I contacted them.

Give an inch, and they'll take a mile! Ridiculous!

[Suck My Glock]

We dig deeper and find another rock layer,....


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/liber ... 628b&ei=18

In September 2021, Liberty Safe was acquired by Monomoy Capital Partners, a private investment firm that has offices in New York and Connecticut and $2.7 billion in committed capital across five investment funds. Liberty Safe operates out of its Payson, Utah, facility.

The manufacturer's CEO, Justin Hillenbrand, made political contributions to Obama twice when the Democrat was a first-time presidential nominee in 2008, totaling $4,600, according to Federal Election Commission (FEC) records.

Monomoy founding partner Stephen Presser, who died in March, is listed by the FEC as making countless individual contributions to myriad Democrats, including current Senators Raphael Warnock, John Fetterman and Mark Kelly. The company's max donations over the last 10 election cycles have totaled almost $400,000.

"And we're supposed to be surprised they betrayed their customers to the FBI as quickly as humanly possible?" Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk wrote on X, formerly Twitter.

[Tenring]

This is short and to the point:

[kenpoprofessor]

Nearly every safe manufacturer DOES and WILL DO this for their customers. Liberty just got 'caught'. And yes....people will dump their Liberty safes and buy another brand who WILL DO and DOES the same exact thing.

If you require ANY company...Bud Light, Chick-fil-A, In-N-Out, Black Rifle Coffee Co, Liberty, etc...to adopt and share YOUR EXACT VALUES in order for you to purchase their product(s)...you WILL BE LIED TO CONSTANTLY.

Yes, they do it for "their customers", not the FBI, ATF, or any other alphabet agency. They wait for a warrant to disclose that information, not just "Ok, here ya go". FAFO for them, they screwed the pooch.

Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde

[Drmark]

If you require ANY company...Bud Light, Chick-fil-A, In-N-Out, Black Rifle Coffee Co, Liberty, etc...to adopt and share YOUR EXACT VALUES in order for you to purchase their product(s)...you WILL BE LIED TO CONSTANTLY.

I don't require any company to adopt my values. As an American consumer, they should share the same values as I have. If they don't f*** them!

What happened to loving our country and why it was founded, and what it stands for? The demasculinization of our country is absolutely sickening!

[Tenring]

Per Liberal Safe's new policy - I do not want to fill out a form giving Liberal Safe more information than they already have. Just so they can get rid of some information that they should not have, I am supposed to trust them.....

If Liberal Safe was straight up, they would send all their customers instructions on how to delete the back door combos and destroy the database of information collected from their customers.

[Suck My Glock]

How to change out your existing electronic/digital lock for a different one.

[Bottom Gun]

Is there any reason the safe can only recognize ONE access code? Can it be programmed to respond to the either the manufacturer's master code OR the user's code? I wonder . . . . . . . .

[samnev]

Liberty - the Bud Light of gun safes.

Even worse than Bud Light. If I ever need a safe it won't be one of the Liberty Not Safe's. They can kiss my behind.

[Tenring]

Is there any reason the safe can only recognize ONE access code? Can it be programmed to respond to the either the manufacturer's master code OR the user's code? I wonder . . . . . . . .

Has two codes, the users and the master pre-set (back door code)

I am not worried about LE, I am worried about the data that Liberal Safe has and is it secure, also will it be secure when they go bankrupt. Name/type size of safe/location/combo ...........

[paulgt2164]

I have no ill will toward Liberty...NEARLY EVERY safe company does this...Liberty just happened to get exposed for doing it. They shouldn't need a subpoena, because they shouldn't retain that info.

This. I would bet nearlyevery safe manufacturer would have done the same exact thing Liberty did, they just were the first to get "exposed" doing it. I bet Liberty's competition will start singing the "we wouldnt do that, we don't do that" PR now - even though they totally would have. Dance around with the silly memes, boycott, and be "shocked and outraged" all you want - but lets be real.

The reaction to this is hilarious, cause I bet all these people dumping their liberties (or saying they are going to) will buy another companies safe - that would do the same thing. The best we can hope for is maybe this will change some internal policies at Liberty (and other manufacturers) to make this harder to do. But, in the grand scheme of things - if "they" want in your safe - they will get in your safe.

Really? This is all bullshit! Liberty f*** rolled over, and everyone is ok with this s***? Just like common sense gun laws, and red flag laws?

No, we aren't ok with it - we just realize that it wouldn't have been any different with any other manufacturer and hope it is the wake up call for the industry.

I hate Apple due to their left-wing views, but they never caved in regarding civil rights, and I applaud them for that!

You are kidding right? Apple has caved many, many times for "civil" rights. In fact their most recent attempt was only thwarted by immense backlash (When they were going to roll out a feature that auto-scans your photos and would report any that could be child porn.) Apple has even been so "cavalier" with user data - they provided a bunch to hackers masquerading as LE (a couple years ago...) Apple only went "hard nose" on not turning over data when they got called out on it about ten years ago. In 2013 they reported they honored LE requests for customer data "between 0 and 1000" times out of a total of 2000-3000 requests. If you think they still aren't handing off data to LE - you live in a fantasy world. Even when/if they refuse - the government will get it anyways. For example - you think it was coincidence that just before the pistol brace ruling SB tactical was "hacked" and customer records were compromised? Obviously a couple agencies didn't want to deal with getting told "no" to legal requests and just hit the easy button.

What happened to integrity? Gone like a chicks virginity on Prom night?

It isn't hard to see why Liberty chose to do it (regardless of right or wrong...) Look at the options :

1. Cave, give out the universal/customer access code and be done with the situation. Avoid any further legal hang ups, skip the further involvement with courts, judges, and law enforcement and whatever other government agencies related to the Jan 6th B.S. Risk making a small percentage of the customer base / non-customer base angry, which will make videos and memes and scream boycott, then forget about it in a week.

or

2. Say "go pound sand" and then be involved in the legal matters of who knows how many government agencies, lawyers, and courts all demanding this information via any means necessary. Be added to the "not cooperative list" for these agencies - ensure further issues or scrutiny. Since it is Jan 6th related you know they are going to be extra rabid.

While I don't agree with option 1 - I see why they did it.

The fact is Liberty f*** up, and should have made the feds work for their agenda, and they didn't. Just because "all" safe manufacturers supposedly retain original combinations, codes, doesn't mean they'd cave.

I would be willing to bet at least 90% would have caved. Lets be real, 90% of people / companies talk a big game till the agents at the door are knocking. The old adage of "everyone has a plan till they are punched in the face." What is more scary to a companies legal department? A week or two of bad press, or a bunch of government agencies on a witch hunt for a "insurrection?"

I just got off the phone with American Security, and guess what? My information was purged from their system before I contacted them.

Of course they said that, in light of the Liberty Safe hoopla. The real judge of them would be if they said that before this happened. Like I said in my previous post - All Liberty's competition will be saying how they wouldn't have - yet I bet they totally would have.

Give an inch, and they'll take a mile! Ridiculous!

No one is disagreeing that this was a sh*tty move on Liberty's part. What is hilarious is people are surprised this happened and can't wrap their head around the "why."

[QuietM4]

No one is disagreeing that this was a sh*tty move on Liberty's part. What is hilarious is people are surprised this happened and can't wrap their head around the "why."

I find it funny that as soon as some random company gets some heat for doing something that every safe company does, will do, and has done for years...everyone gets out their "Jump To Conclusions" mat and freaks out. It's just a bunch of old men yelling at clouds.

I'd happily purchase any Liberty safe...as I'm sure there is about to be a lot of used safes available for sale....or at least everyone will say they will sell their Liberty safe, but as soon as it comes to actually selling it and paying for a new one, they magically forget about it.

The truly crazy thing is AR15.com. Page after page of posts about how evil Liberty Safe is...boycott this, boycott that...yada yada. Meanwhile, the front page has an ad for VaultPro...who has a form on their website that allows customers to request the safe combo. And, I would bet that at some point in history Vault Pro has supplied LEO with safe combos.

[aroyobob]

Gotta laugh at all the hoopla over this. As if the only thing keeping the Feds out is the pass code.

[QuietM4]

Gotta laugh at all the hoopla over this. As if the only thing keeping the Feds out is the pass code.

This was my initial thought. Locks only stop honest people...and they only temporarily slow down dishonest people.

Did the subject of the warrant not know his property was being searched? If he did know...don't be an a**hole and just open the safe. Refusing to open it is an exercise in futility. Best case scenario, your have a safe that can be reused. Worst case scenario, they cut open the safe and render it useless in the future.

Did the FBI contact Liberty prior the the search warrant being executed (having prior knowledge of the safes existence and the serial number), or did they execute the warrant, discover the brand and SN of the safe, which instigated contacting Liberty for the combo? The FBI employs (or contracts with) people who can easily open safes...especially a simple gun safe.

But, typical of most people, everyone gets out their "Jump To Conclusion" mat and starts yelling at clouds with little to no background info or full understanding of the actual situation.

I'd happily purchase a used Liberty gun safe.