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Az desert rat 1 wrote: ↑June 8th, 2022, 4:30 pm Changing the age will not accomplish anything. A Mini14 with a high cap mag will do the same damage. Chane the laws. If a crime is committed with a firearm impose a mandatory 20 years or more, without parole, for using a firearm to commit a crime. Then add on the time for the crime. A firearm didn't decide to commit the act. The user did. The firearm was just a tool.

This argument assumes that criminals have a rational mind…they don’t. In nearly every state, committing any crime while in possession of a firearm already increases the penalties. Once a person decided to commit murder, all rationality had been left behind…no law will dissuade or prevent future shootings.

How is changing the law to 21 going to keep our children safer in schools, not at all.

How about changing the age to vote instead.

You shoot up a school and are taken alive you go thru a wood chipper feet first real slow with lots of breaks and excellent palliative care.

So there’s no nutty 21yr olds? This is all a failure of the ruling class, these school shootings should have been squashed in 1999 after Columbine, as I recall the narrative has not changed since then, we go through the same speal time and time again and nothing gets solved.

The commies do not want the problem solved, they set up the kill/gun free zones to further their agenda of disarming the law abiding citizens.

Change to 21, change to 45 or maybe 65
What person bent on doing harm gives 2 shits about a law for 21

None, pointless BS that is anti 2A and communism all the way

This is just my opinion... nobody will care, nor should you.

The police can't be everywhere, and who would want to live somewhere that they were?

The answer is an armed citizenry. The pervasive attitude, cultivated by the government over decades, is that it's the government's job to care for the people. It's simply a method of control and exactly what we fought a war for independence over.

How many of these glory seeking fukcs would go out to commit these atrocities if they knew they would be gunned down like rabid dogs in the first 15 seconds? If the newspaper headline or the TV news segment started off with "another mass shooting in Buffalo was averted after an unnamed gunman killed one woman in a parking lot and was shot to death by 8 people. On to the weather..."

We need to get back to taking responsibility for ourselves, in every aspect of our lives, and that includes safety and security. But it's not limited to that. We've got to stop looking to government at any level to provide any form of aid. It's not their job and it's not healthy for this country. When I was farming and running cattle, we had a couple very bad years down south (drought) and I was eligible for LDAP (livestock disaster assistance). I could have also gotten them to pay for a pivot. I declined both, and we needed that money desperately.

We've got to start taking care of ourselves. In every aspect of our lives.

paulgt2164 wrote: ↑June 8th, 2022, 1:30 pm (snip)We let 16 year olds pilot 4000lb+ road missiles down the I17 at 85 MPH with basically no training, a few feet from others - yet 18 year old Sally can't own an AR that will sit in a safe or closet 99% of it's life cause so many of you allow the "whatevers" and "buts" to sound reasonable.

It is ok though - cause if that 16 year old plows into another driver and people die - it is called an "accident" and not "negligence" or "car violence" yet if .000001% of ARs produced is used to kill some people it is "Gun Violence" and the human / society part of it is ignored. Why you ask?

That was so well said, sir.

Gatsby wrote: ↑June 9th, 2022, 3:47 am It's simply a method of control and exactly what we fought a war for independence over.

In 250 years, America has become that which the founders fled.

nope

if you really want to see why we are loosing, just trapse over to that other az site and read what the neophytes are saying, in regards to new gun laws, most are expats of that place we dislike, you know the one that oughta fall off next shake,
anyways, its the blatant reason perhaps in my life time Az will become the southwest east coast rep. just my opinion, but even the mods are for the legal age at 21, just the way it is.

of course this is all the opinion of an old guy
Rj

The age requirement to purchase handgun is currently 21...but it wasn't always. Before the Gun Control Act of 1968, it was 18. The goal of raising the age to 21 was to prevent violent crime...well, that didn't seem to work very well. So why does anyone think increasing the age for AR-type weapons to 21 will have any effect? That's like banning red cars in hopes of reducing speeding tickets...

BTW, in 1968 you could buy a full auto M16 for far less than $500...hell, I've seen an old advertisement from 1977 for an MG-42 for less than $1k.

They don't care one iota about what age you are.
All they care about is making more laws that prohibit guns.
Next they will want an age where you are too old to buy one.