9mm AR pistol
- vvalter_vvhite
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9mm AR pistol
I am getting the bug again... now want to get an AR pistol in 9mm... because 300 AAC ammo is asspensive.
pro's and cons ?
pro's and cons ?
- YNOTAZ
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Re: 9mm AR pistol
AR9s are great. I haven't seen one that didn't run well. Mag choices are Colt smg mags or Glock. You will likely want some form of brace to gain 3 points of contact.
For the brace you will require an engineering degree, a lawyer, and a mathematician, so as to not go afoul of the new Crap the ATF rammed through.
For the brace you will require an engineering degree, a lawyer, and a mathematician, so as to not go afoul of the new Crap the ATF rammed through.
- vvalter_vvhite
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Re: 9mm AR pistol
WTF? Did they change anything again? I have a few Ar15 pistols with SBA3 brace, I hope, I ma not breaking any new rule .
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Re: 9mm AR pistol
Stay up with the current happenings, ignorance is not bliss when you get pulled over and find they've passed an ex post facto "rule".vvalter_vvhite wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 8:59 pmWTF? Did they change anything again? I have a few Ar15 pistols with SBA3 brace, I hope, I ma not breaking any new rule .
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/ex_post_facto
Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day
Clyde
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Re: 9mm AR pistol
The radial-delay system of the CMMG Banshee is superior. And that's not just my opinion. It is science, bich!
There are 3 mag types available for the RDB system; Colt mags, Glock mags or (as I chose) Mean Arms EndoMags, which are converted Magpuls and allow you to use a regular rifle-style magwell. (You need the version of EndoMag specific to the RDB system that doesn't have the ejector in the mag). In my experience, the feed ramp is less severe than any other design and feeds every hollow-point style I have fed this sucker. And it means I can use my 9mm upper on any registered select-fire or SBR without modification to it.
The Radial Delay Blowback system also works well with suppressors and reduced back-gassing much like a roller-delayed system.
I love mine and am evangelical about it.
There are 3 mag types available for the RDB system; Colt mags, Glock mags or (as I chose) Mean Arms EndoMags, which are converted Magpuls and allow you to use a regular rifle-style magwell. (You need the version of EndoMag specific to the RDB system that doesn't have the ejector in the mag). In my experience, the feed ramp is less severe than any other design and feeds every hollow-point style I have fed this sucker. And it means I can use my 9mm upper on any registered select-fire or SBR without modification to it.
The Radial Delay Blowback system also works well with suppressors and reduced back-gassing much like a roller-delayed system.
I love mine and am evangelical about it.
- G34
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Re: 9mm AR pistol
Unless you train enough to justify the added expense of a reliable PCC plus optic plus mags then I’d say they are useless. Most guys that conceal a banshee in a backpack can’t run a pistol to save there life. So they offset skill but buying other gear. And then they still are slow with the PCC.
You’d spend around 1500 outfitting a PCC when you could use all that for ammo training and modifying your main rig.
You’d spend around 1500 outfitting a PCC when you could use all that for ammo training and modifying your main rig.
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Re: 9mm AR pistol
Ummm, Yeah... This has the rule starting on page 3 for 14 pages with examples on how to calculate the score that will or will not make you a federal felon:vvalter_vvhite wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 8:59 pm WTF? Did they change anything again? I have a few Ar15 pistols with SBA3 brace, I hope, I ma not breaking any new rule .
BAT F%^ck rule
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Re: 9mm AR pistol
I'm f'd !
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Re: 9mm AR pistol
https://www.atf.gov/file/154866/downloadYNOTAZ wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 8:04 amUmmm, Yeah... This has the rule starting on page 3 for 14 pages with examples on how to calculate the score that will or will not make you a federal felon:vvalter_vvhite wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 8:59 pm WTF? Did they change anything again? I have a few Ar15 pistols with SBA3 brace, I hope, I ma not breaking any new rule .
BAT F%^ck rule
Here's the worksheet if you want to print it out. Just add up the points. Some terms are a little vague though. At least to me. Like what's a "secondary grip"? Are grip panels on the rail a "secondary grip"?
A lot of BS just to have a brace. Perhaps no brace + sling tension is good enough. Or, as some people are suggesting, a standard buffer tube and a crutch tip or tennis ball. Or maybe a piece of PVC pipe as long as you need with a "T" on the end. Most pistol buffer tubes are 1.25" in diameter. They sell 1.25 and 1.5 PVC pipe at the home stores.
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Re: 9mm AR pistol
aroyobob wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 9:26 pmhttps://www.atf.gov/file/154866/downloadYNOTAZ wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 8:04 amUmmm, Yeah... This has the rule starting on page 3 for 14 pages with examples on how to calculate the score that will or will not make you a federal felon:vvalter_vvhite wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 8:59 pm WTF? Did they change anything again? I have a few Ar15 pistols with SBA3 brace, I hope, I ma not breaking any new rule .
BAT F%^ck rule
Here's the worksheet if you want to print it out. Just add up the points. Some terms are a little vague though. At least to me. Like what's a "secondary grip"? Are grip panels on the rail a "secondary grip"?
A lot of BS just to have a brace. Perhaps no brace + sling tension is good enough. Or, as some people are suggesting, a standard buffer tube and a crutch tip or tennis ball. Or maybe a piece of PVC pipe as long as you need with a "T" on the end. Most pistol buffer tubes are 1.25" in diameter. They sell 1.25 and 1.5 PVC pipe at the home stores.
Thanks, I have already added up my score based on the earlier posts... hence my post just above yours... maybe now will I get accused of "intent" if I have SBA3 in possession... Fk teh ATF, and Fk biden!
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Re: 9mm AR pistol
I thought this 'rule' was not yet in effect, just proposed. Plus, I'm sure there are/will be lawsuits which will delay or reverse it
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Re: 9mm AR pistol
Whole AFT brace thing is a fugazi hoop jumping exercise meant to fail, and if your config passes, they'll just deem it illegal because they can. FAFT...
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Re: 9mm AR pistol
I have one I run a barrel I salvaged (cut and recrowned) and cut down a carbon fiber FFT. Because i can screw the FFT on and off I change it from 9mm to 40sw with a barrel and bolt change with G22 mags