Maybe if Alec Baldwin had learned more about guns, he wouldn't have killed someone today

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Re: Maybe if Alec Baldwin had learned more about guns, he wouldn't have killed someone today

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So much bullshiate on the interwebs and supposed new sites, who really knows whats true, tell it long enough and idiots believe it.
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Re: Maybe if Alec Baldwin had learned more about guns, he wouldn't have killed someone today

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wow the gun a 45colt replica preitta copy real easy to see if its loaded with real ammo.so in my eyes its murder.alec needs a dirt nap.
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Re: Maybe if Alec Baldwin had learned more about guns, he wouldn't have killed someone today

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Jack Dupp wrote: October 26th, 2021, 10:53 pm
McKnight55 wrote: October 26th, 2021, 10:44 pm Alec Baldwin arrested for first-degree murder and possession of child pornography – media blackout

https://www.conservativebeaver.com/2021 ... -blackout/

The Present Truth Podcast - 2021-10-26
01:40 / 54:58

https://1360khnc.com/the-present-truth-podcast

FF to 1:40
As much as I wouldn't be surprised if Alec did attempt to murder them, I'm calling BS on that article.
Probably.
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Re: Maybe if Alec Baldwin had learned more about guns, he wouldn't have killed someone today

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Terrible for the poor young girl who had made her bones and died. Not an easy industry to break into.

All I can make of it is the "Armorer" was to young and unfortunately not a strong enough personality. Anyone who has managed people knows that like raising children .. you cant be their friend .. you have to be the boss. Sure it sucks sometimes.

No one should have been plinking with the set guns. The armorer should have locked them away in secure storage and when asked by a colleague if they could take one out.. simply said .. nope.

" no you cant shoot it, you cant fondle it, you can look at it on set and through the cage."

Then once it was on the table AFTER she checked each one .. she shouldnt have left them unattended even if it meant she stood out there for an hour.

Then as we all know .. She should have shown clear to the AD, once handed the gun he should have checked all clear personally and .. im still up in the air about how much an actor is supposed to know .. that is why you hire "professionals" I dont know how to fly a plane . I trust the pilot to get me there.

She probably just wanted to still be the cool kid. Cool kid and not be the heavy. It cost someone a life.

Dik face Alec Baldwin as one of the producers should have ensured enough money was spent to insure safety but that meant hiring higher paid expertise.
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Boriqua wrote: October 27th, 2021, 11:32 am
All I can make of it is the "Armorer" was too young, INEXPERIENCED, and unfortunately not a strong enough personality.
https://www.insider.com/rust-armorer-ma ... 021-10?amp
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all about the gal and the assist, producer now, so the annoited ones blame will be deflected, hollywierd at work, can't have a libpos found guilty of anything he expoused against can we....................
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Re: Maybe if Alec Baldwin had learned more about guns, he wouldn't have killed someone today

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McKnight55 wrote: October 27th, 2021, 11:12 am
Jack Dupp wrote: October 26th, 2021, 10:53 pm
McKnight55 wrote: October 26th, 2021, 10:44 pm Alec Baldwin arrested for first-degree murder and possession of child pornography – media blackout

https://www.conservativebeaver.com/2021 ... -blackout/

The Present Truth Podcast - 2021-10-26
01:40 / 54:58

https://1360khnc.com/the-present-truth-podcast

FF to 1:40
As much as I wouldn't be surprised if Alec did attempt to murder them, I'm calling BS on that article.
Probably.
Pastor Rodriquez doubles down in his 10-27 podcast :

https://omny.fm/shows/the-present-truth ... 2021-10-27
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Alex is going home to corn flakes again, but somebody is going to get a ton of s**t fall on them pretty soon. Let it play out but Alex is not going down.
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It is Alec Baldwin what do you expect, obviously he is not at fault, since he doesn't believe in guns he doesn't follow the 4 simple rules, since he pretty much broke all of them...
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!0 to 1 Baldwin will walk and the prop master will get the shaft.
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The armorer breaks her silence;....

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/rus ... 07790.html
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Re: Maybe if Alec Baldwin had learned more about guns, he wouldn't have killed someone today

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Funny how times and ethics change depending upon our ideologies and likes. Anybody recall a guy named Bill Jordan? Back in the day he was a US Border Patrol agent and one of the giants in the gunfighting world. He was also a renowned pistol expert, author, and gun writer. However when his gross criminal negligence caused the death of a fellow border patrol officer, what was the reaction of the gun world and shooting public? NOTHING. ZERO. SILENCE. In fact it Bill Jordan shooting a fellow LEO had NO effect on his career and good luck even finding a mention of it in the gun media. Thankfully “The High Road” allowed this post on their website:

“In another thread a useful discussion about Jeff Cooper's 4 basic rules is taking place. A couple of posters have suggested that the 4 rules are good but mainly for new comers to shooting. Some others that they are too simple or too strict or not clear enough. I thought of posting this in that thread but it's useful enough for it's own thread. I think Cooper had not developed and promoted the 4 Rules at this time. To make incidents like that below is why he did so though. So...

On Oct. 16, 1956 at the Regional Headquarters of the Border Patrol in Chula Vista, Ca. Border Patrol Agent Bill Jordan and another Agent were discussing guns. Jordan had been showing the other Agent something and had unloaded his weapon to do so. When done, Jordan routinely reloaded the gun and put it in a drawer. They continued the discussion and Jordan again took the gun from a drawer to demonstrate something to the other agent. Jordan pulled the trigger and a round went through the wall and struck Agent John A. Rector in the head killing him as he sat at a desk.

Bill Jordan was an outstanding handgunner whose contributions made him a legend. Well experienced in handling weapons at the time of this fatal incident. In this case he, as was habit/routine, reloaded the weapon when he was done with the demonstration and placed it back in the drawer. His mind on the discussion, he assumed the weapon was still empty and did not check it. Rule one could have prevented this.

Rule two was also violated. "Never point a weapon at something you are not willing to destroy". The rule stands out stark and clear in the mind. The gun was not pointed in a safe direction, where a bullet would do no damage if shot.

Rule 4 advises us to "Be aware of your target and what's beyond it". Jordan did not know what was on the other side of the wall.

In the above situation we could have forgotten rule One and followed the other two and been safe. Even just one of the other two. No one would have been hurt. Following them may have alerted us to check the weapon. Had we checked the gun was empty, we could have violated the other two and been safe.

Many folks who have an unintended discharge did so while cleaning or handling a gun they "know" is unloaded. They get distracted for a moment by a phone call, a bit of conversation, or something on TV, etc.

http://sdmemorial.org/border-patrol/

Hello I am here to tell you that the story of Bill Jordan accidentally shooting a fellow Border Patrol officer is true. That man was my father, John A. Rector.
I was 13 years old and in the 8th grade, and that has been some 55 years ago, but my memory is very clear. According to the Coroner's inquest, this is the way it happened: Bill Jordan was showing a pistol, a 357 Magnum, to another man. They were in Bill's office at the headquarters of the San Diego Sector in San Ysidro, CA. The gun was unloaded initially, and Bill was demonstrating how he drew and fired. He then reloaded the gun and put it into a desk drawer.
The conversation continued, and forgetting he had loaded the gun he took it out of the drawer, aimed it at the wall and fired. My father was sitting at his desk on the other side of that wall. The bullet went through the wall and hit him in the head. He died about 3 hours later. There was no wrongful death suit, or anything like that. Bill was so upset that he had to be taken home under sedation and the next day I remember he and his wife coming to our house, and he sobbed as he told us how sorry he was. He and my Dad were friends.
I have often given my story as an example of how ANYONE can have an accident with a gun, no matter how expert you are with them.
My Dad did not see me complete my education, he was not there to walk me down the aisle when I married, nor did he see me graduate from college. He never knew that I had a successful career. I don't hate Bill Jordan, nor bear him any ill will. I expect he is gone from this earth now too.
I just wanted to set the record straight for those of you in this forum and elsewhere who think this might have been a false story."

No mention of what Bill Jordan did here:
https://gunsmagazine.com/guns/handguns/ ... ll-jordan/

Or here:
https://www.legendsofamerica.com/bill-jordan/

Or here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Jord ... an_lawman)

And his books are still for sale on Amazon.

AIN’T MORAL OUTRAGE A WONDERFUL THING?
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That Guy wrote: October 30th, 2021, 1:08 pm Funny how times and ethics change depending upon our ideologies and likes. Anybody recall a guy named Bill Jordan? Back in the day he was a US Border Patrol agent and one of the giants in the gunfighting world. He was also a renowned pistol expert, author, and gun writer. However when his gross criminal negligence caused the death of a fellow border patrol officer, what was the reaction of the gun world and shooting public? NOTHING. ZERO. SILENCE. In fact it Bill Jordan shooting a fellow LEO had NO effect on his career and good luck even finding a mention of it in the gun media. Thankfully “The High Road” allowed this post on their website:

“In another thread a useful discussion about Jeff Cooper's 4 basic rules is taking place. A couple of posters have suggested that the 4 rules are good but mainly for new comers to shooting. Some others that they are too simple or too strict or not clear enough. I thought of posting this in that thread but it's useful enough for it's own thread. I think Cooper had not developed and promoted the 4 Rules at this time. To make incidents like that below is why he did so though. So...

On Oct. 16, 1956 at the Regional Headquarters of the Border Patrol in Chula Vista, Ca. Border Patrol Agent Bill Jordan and another Agent were discussing guns. Jordan had been showing the other Agent something and had unloaded his weapon to do so. When done, Jordan routinely reloaded the gun and put it in a drawer. They continued the discussion and Jordan again took the gun from a drawer to demonstrate something to the other agent. Jordan pulled the trigger and a round went through the wall and struck Agent John A. Rector in the head killing him as he sat at a desk.

Bill Jordan was an outstanding handgunner whose contributions made him a legend. Well experienced in handling weapons at the time of this fatal incident. In this case he, as was habit/routine, reloaded the weapon when he was done with the demonstration and placed it back in the drawer. His mind on the discussion, he assumed the weapon was still empty and did not check it. Rule one could have prevented this.

Rule two was also violated. "Never point a weapon at something you are not willing to destroy". The rule stands out stark and clear in the mind. The gun was not pointed in a safe direction, where a bullet would do no damage if shot.

Rule 4 advises us to "Be aware of your target and what's beyond it". Jordan did not know what was on the other side of the wall.

In the above situation we could have forgotten rule One and followed the other two and been safe. Even just one of the other two. No one would have been hurt. Following them may have alerted us to check the weapon. Had we checked the gun was empty, we could have violated the other two and been safe.

Many folks who have an unintended discharge did so while cleaning or handling a gun they "know" is unloaded. They get distracted for a moment by a phone call, a bit of conversation, or something on TV, etc.

http://sdmemorial.org/border-patrol/

Hello I am here to tell you that the story of Bill Jordan accidentally shooting a fellow Border Patrol officer is true. That man was my father, John A. Rector.
I was 13 years old and in the 8th grade, and that has been some 55 years ago, but my memory is very clear. According to the Coroner's inquest, this is the way it happened: Bill Jordan was showing a pistol, a 357 Magnum, to another man. They were in Bill's office at the headquarters of the San Diego Sector in San Ysidro, CA. The gun was unloaded initially, and Bill was demonstrating how he drew and fired. He then reloaded the gun and put it into a desk drawer.
The conversation continued, and forgetting he had loaded the gun he took it out of the drawer, aimed it at the wall and fired. My father was sitting at his desk on the other side of that wall. The bullet went through the wall and hit him in the head. He died about 3 hours later. There was no wrongful death suit, or anything like that. Bill was so upset that he had to be taken home under sedation and the next day I remember he and his wife coming to our house, and he sobbed as he told us how sorry he was. He and my Dad were friends.
I have often given my story as an example of how ANYONE can have an accident with a gun, no matter how expert you are with them.
My Dad did not see me complete my education, he was not there to walk me down the aisle when I married, nor did he see me graduate from college. He never knew that I had a successful career. I don't hate Bill Jordan, nor bear him any ill will. I expect he is gone from this earth now too.
I just wanted to set the record straight for those of you in this forum and elsewhere who think this might have been a false story."

No mention of what Bill Jordan did here:
https://gunsmagazine.com/guns/handguns/ ... ll-jordan/

Or here:
https://www.legendsofamerica.com/bill-jordan/

Or here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Jord ... an_lawman)

And his books are still for sale on Amazon.

AIN’T MORAL OUTRAGE A WONDERFUL THING?
So i'm supposed to have outrage for an event that happened over 80 fckin years ago?

Let me hop into my delorean and calibrate the time controls so i can go and be outraged.

You know why we don't talk about this?

Because probably 90% of this board wasn't alive.

Seriously, fck right off dude. I swear you are just like "the accountant" but the Great Value version.
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Cubiclerevolt wrote: October 30th, 2021, 5:35 pm

So i'm supposed to have outrage for an event that happened over 80 fckin years ago?

Let me hop into my delorean and calibrate the time controls so i can go and be outraged.

You know why we don't talk about this?

Because probably 90% of this board wasn't alive.

Seriously, fck right off dude. I swear you are just like "the accountant" but the Great Value version.
Yea, I thought exactly the same thing, but not even Great Value, I'm thinking Dollar Tree version.


Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

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kenpoprofessor wrote: October 30th, 2021, 5:41 pm
Cubiclerevolt wrote: October 30th, 2021, 5:35 pm

So i'm supposed to have outrage for an event that happened over 80 fckin years ago?

Let me hop into my delorean and calibrate the time controls so i can go and be outraged.

You know why we don't talk about this?

Because probably 90% of this board wasn't alive.

Seriously, fck right off dude. I swear you are just like "the accountant" but the Great Value version.
Yea, I thought exactly the same thing, but not even Great Value, I'm thinking Dollar Tree version.


Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day

Clyde
True true.
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