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Lead Source?

Posted: April 12th, 2021, 5:40 pm
by vtachrn
I am just getting into casting my own bullets. I have everything I need but a cheap source of lead. I can buy fluxed and cleaned lead ingots off ebay, but its rather cost prohibitive. Anyone here cast their own bullets? Care to educate a guy that wants to learn and pass on the knowledge as well? I just need to figure out where and how to pick up scrap lead without paying a arm and leg.

Re: Lead Source?

Posted: April 12th, 2021, 6:44 pm
by knockonit
have a bunch of lead alloyed to 16 brinell , we cast thousand of 9mm, .45 and 223 over the years, have to figure out what i gotta get for it.
in north phoenix, and salvage yards aren't paying .10 lb, check it out.

good luck
rj

Re: Lead Source?

Posted: April 12th, 2021, 7:16 pm
by XJThrottle
Buy some wheel weight pliers, a morning, and $2 to get into the U-pull-it. All the wheel weights you can handle/push/carry.

Re: Lead Source?

Posted: April 12th, 2021, 7:19 pm
by knockonit
just make sure they are lead and not the new zinc crap, adding zinc to the lead makes a real mess to clean up.
don't ask, i just know threw away a whole lotta molten due to contamination to the lead from them. d

Re: Lead Source?

Posted: April 12th, 2021, 7:31 pm
by Old Jeff H
About 3 years ago I spent a few months putting together a little stockpile. Part of it came from buying medical isotopes from a fellow board member, but the bulk of it came from hitting up all of the local tire shops in my area and buying 5 gallon buckets of used wheel weights.

It took a lot of work to sort the steel and zinc out of the wheel weights, but it was actually kind of enjoyable and relaxing. As was melting it all down, fluxing it, and casting it. After it was all said and done, I ended up with about 2,000 lb of ingots.

It's really not that hard to find, it's just a lot of work to produce what you need.

Oh and if you decide that you want some pewter to mix in, hit up your local thrift stores. There's definitely a learning curve with knowing what's actual pewter, but I ended up with about 100 lb of that as well. Just make sure you're paying the right price for it.

Re: Lead Source?

Posted: April 12th, 2021, 8:39 pm
by vtachrn
Thanks for the ideas. Guess I just need to hit the ground and start scrounging. Whats the worst they will say? No?

Re: Lead Source?

Posted: April 13th, 2021, 4:33 am
by marlin39a
Scrapyards can be a good source. Watch for sellers on Craigslist. Be wary of wheel weights, as most now are zinc. I’ve bought from sellers on castboolits.com with good results. Ask at yard sales, you might find some there.

Re: Lead Source?

Posted: April 13th, 2021, 6:53 am
by delta6
knockonit wrote: ↑April 12th, 2021, 6:44 pm have a bunch of lead alloyed to 16 brinell , we cast thousand of 9mm, .45 and 223 over the years, have to figure out what i gotta get for it.
in north phoenix, and salvage yards aren't paying .10 lb, check it out.

good luck
rj
16 Brinell is Lyman #2 alloy. 90% pure, 5% tin and 5% Antimony.

Re: Lead Source?

Posted: April 13th, 2021, 8:16 am
by Flash
Old Jeff H wrote: ↑April 12th, 2021, 7:31 pm About 3 years ago I spent a few months putting together a little stockpile. Part of it came from buying medical isotopes from a fellow board member, but the bulk of it came from hitting up all of the local tire shops in my area and buying 5 gallon buckets of used wheel weights.
The board member is Bosshaug if the OP wants to contact him.

Re: Lead Source?

Posted: April 13th, 2021, 8:48 am
by knockonit
LOL, YEAH, i had to go to a bigger pot to melt the big isotopes, whew they were monsters, used my turkey fryer and huge pot, even welded up a big steel laddle, we probably alloyed 2k lbs, and poured another 2-4 k of ingots of misc. hardness, to be used later.

as noted above the 16 brinnel is the winner in our world, little to no leading on all of the shooters we sized for.
the day of the wheel weights is about gone.
Rj

Re: Lead Source?

Posted: April 13th, 2021, 10:03 am
by mtptwo
XJThrottle wrote: ↑April 12th, 2021, 7:16 pm Buy some wheel weight pliers, a morning, and $2 to get into the U-pull-it. All the wheel weights you can handle/push/carry.
Yeah, but they put the weights on the inside of the rims now.

Re: Lead Source?

Posted: April 13th, 2021, 12:12 pm
by Old Jeff H
Although it's been 3 years since I did all my scrounging, and I'm sure that things have changed even in that short period of time, I did a spreadsheet on what percentage of the weights I acquired were lead, steel, and zinc. I'll see if I can remember to look for it tonight.

I also used a turkey fryer as my heat source, and I bought an enameled cast iron dutch oven from Goodwill for my melting pot. Wax based floor sweeping compound works most excellent for fluxing.

Re: Lead Source?

Posted: March 19th, 2025, 5:23 pm
by Suck My Glock
I've been looking into trying to source foundry certified pre-mixed bullet alloy - typically called "hardball" - 92% lead, 2% tin, 6% antimony - which produces a BHN of 16. It is the industry standard for nearly all commercial bullet companies. But the trade war with China (even before the current tariff chaos) has pretty much cut off all antimony from there. Trade sanctions with Russia have eliminated another key source. So getting Hardball alloy is expensive these days.

It doesn't help that the last primary lead refinery (the processing of lead directly from ore) closed in 2013 due to oppressive EPA throttling. And very few automotive battery recyclers exist here anymore either for the same reason. The vast majority of industrial lead supply is now imported from countries still willing to host those types of facilities, such as Mexico, India and China. (Although now China is off the list, reducing options further.)

The bullet industry gets its lead from 'secondary' lead refineries (which the EPA has not yet run out of business), which are defined as refineries/foundries which are not processing raw galena ore or recycling lead acid batteries. There are a host of nasty toxins aside from the lead itself, such as arsenic, that have given the recyclers a notorious reputation. As a result, these secondary refineries/foundries are typically along the coasts, nearby where the imported recycled lead arrives in port. Lewiston, Idaho is the furthest inland port in the country where barges can travel up the Columbia River, which is in large part why CCI, Speer, Freedom Munitions, Xtreme Bullets and others are located there.

Here in AZ, we have a unique situation. The copper mining industry produces other ores and minerals in smaller amounts as byproducts of pursuing the copper. American copper costs more to produce than elsewhere in the world, such as Argentina, and in recent history is not very competitive on the world market, and this is why Arizona's copper industry was in decline for decades until recently. Only because the worldwide demand for copper has grown so much has the Arizona copper mining industry been in recovery in the last 15 years. But the margins are still rather thin, so any extra $ that can be squeezed out of the material mined is also processed if it can be. Among these is lead, tin and even a small amount of antimony.

SEAFAB in Casa Grande in Arizona's secondary lead refinery and foundry, and our state's source for industrial lead supply.

In recent weeks I've been contacting every source for "hardball" bullet alloy all over the country, trying to find who has the best price. Most of them only want to deal with businesses, requiring minimum orders of a ton or several tons. Some outfits, like ROTOMETALS in Commiefornia, will sell you nearly amount of lead or tin or antimony, no matter how small. But they want ridiculous prices. $5 per pound, currently. By comparison, MISSOURI BULLET COMPANY will sell you some of their supply they get from MAYCO in Illinois, for $3.37 per pound. And shipping is on top of those prices.

However, SEAFAB is amazingly affordable at the moment. As of a week ago, their price for Hardball was $1.96 lb. if bought by the ton, and $2.16 if less than a ton. For pure lead, the price is $1.75 lb. if bought by the ton, and $1.85 lb. if less than a ton. But SEAFAB does prefer orders no less than 1000 lbs., but have been known to sell less than that. The down side, however, is that those prices are for the 62lb. "pigs" that measure about 20 inches long by 4 inches wide, and are a motherhumper to heave about. SEAFAB does offer an option of providing their product in a far easier to manage 25 lb. "plumber's caulking" bar, which is five interconnected 5lb. ingots which can be easily broken apart. (Much easier for inserting into casting pots.) But they demand an extra $0.50 cents per pound on the price for that, and the minimum order is a 1-ton pallet. But,...that could be a heck of a deal for a group buy if enough shooters were interested.
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Now granted, it has been cheaper in the past to just go hunt for wheel weights and scrap lead. But that's getting harder to find, and people are demanding more. Even on Facebook Marketplace, guys are demanding $2 a pound just for the scrap stuff.

Anyway,...that's my info dump on what I've been able to discover.