Would you consider this a "good shoot"?

[smithers599]

Good shoot in the sense that "good" = "legal."
Stupid shoot, though. If you decide to be a gun carrier, you must also decide to avoid confrontation. Friend of mine told me he saw a woman wearing a T-shirt that said "Trump is a racist." He said he walked up to her and said "Trump is not a f____ racist!" It was his right to express himself, but he is just asking for trouble. I don't want him or guys like him carrying a gun. There is enough trouble in the world without starting more.
"Well, she started it; with her T-shirt she was just asking for an argument." Likewise, the woman who parked in the handicapped spot was just asking for an argument. If somebody starts an argument, you have no obligation to accept the invitation. Walk away.

[shooter444]

"If somebody starts an argument, you have no obligation to accept the invitation. Walk away."

Sage advice, smithers599!

But, that is advice I would give to the attacker, not the victim. All he had to do was walk up to the old guy, admit his parking mistake, get in his car and drive away, and that PROBABLY would have ended it!

[knockonit]

horsefeathers on who, what and when someone can comment on anything, and one does not have to behave differently because they are armed, where in the hell does that come from. If you think a weapon makes you special, well then you should probably park it somewhere and leave the carrying to responsible individuals. Discourse and discussion are how things work, stupid people don't know they are stupid unless someone tells them, uninformed folks don't know it till they are told.

Jeez, just look on the internet, on this site, and see all the bad advise one can pick up, by some providing the wrong info, on carrying, gun rights, trespass isues, ect.

Its America, you have the right to speak your mind, and if someone takes offense, then its how you react to their retort that makes the system work.

this fear of telling someone they are wrong, stupid or otherwise engaged outside the discussion is just silly, more people need to step up and comment on stupid crap. Not to say one needs to go out of their way, but commons sense should prevail, that is if there is any left in the world.

liberalism is showing up everywhere.
jmo
Rj

[smithers599]

Good point. The guy who parked in the handicapped parking space won't do that again, will he?

Mike Anthony, who wrote the syllabus for the Arizona Concealed Weapons course, uses the term "Cone of Peace," referencing the "Cone of Silence" that was a recurring prop in the old Get Smart TV show. Live your life under the Cone of Peace. Do not flip the bird at anybody. Do not honk your horn to express your displeasure at anybody. Don't say f__ you to anybody. And if somebody does those things to you, take no notice. "My wife is a whore? Yes, sir, I'm terribly sorry about that. Goodbye." Do you really need the respect of a jerk to feel validated?
If you do not live under the Cone of Peace, you increase your risk of getting attacked and injured or killed, or setting up a situation where you are forced to shoot somebody. Neither of those is a good result.
May the Cone of Peace be upon you.

[RandyTF]

Cone of Peace works for me.

I turned into a handicapped parking space at Costco a few years back not seeing that another car about 6 or 7 spaces in front of me was waiting for the previous car to leave that spot so he could take it. I got out of my car to hear him honking his horn and cussing a blue streak at me. My wife was with me as she is the handicapped one, or should I say, least handicapped one of us and using a cane. The guy proceeded to get more and more obnoxious but I, nor my wife, said a word. We just proceeded to get a shopping cart and move on. The guy's wife finally noticed another spot not 20 feet away and directed him to drive there. End of altercation. I was carrying at the time but didn't want to be called out for showing the gun in a Costco parking lot as they don't prefer to have guns in their midst. And I had no intention of pulling the gun. No need to escalate these kind of events. Life can get very complicated if that is done.

[shooter444]

I live 25 miles, out in the desert, from a small town (less than 4,000 people) , I often see handicap violators at the Safeway food store.

It bugs me, because I have seen a old cripple lady gimping along with her walker past a unmarked car in a handicap spot, as independent as she could be, not showing one ounce of complaint.

I have often thought of calling it in to the locals, but, they probably wouldn't respond, anyway.

The previous posted comment on taking a phone pic strikes my fancy! I wish I had thought of it, back when!

I think, taking a pic of a violator's license plate with the the handicap sign in the background, while he/she is getting out of their vehicle, would be interesting. Next time!

[FireArmTom]

Legal shoot but a bad choice in my mind. I usually do not like to second guess someone, but I would not put myself in the situation to begin with. I read another article that said he was there often yelling at people for parking in the handicap spot. It is a tough situation.

[Crippledtrigger]

"Cone of Peace".

"My wife is a whore?

The cone of peace looks too much like the traditional "dunce hat".

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If someone called my wife a whore I think I would become very animated and have little control over my reaction. I'd say my wife's a whore? God damn straight. That's why I married her. She puts out like a broken candy machine and hands out BJs on demand. Hell sometimes I have to force her to quit cause she sucked the top layer of skin right off my cock causing it to swell to the size of an African Elephants. She is more exclusive than a million dollar escort.

If I were thinking quick enough anyways.

If you carry you should avoid trouble, i.e. getting aggressive or in their face. Still you should always tell someone they are number 1. No problem with providing a little constructive criticism re their shortcomings.

[DmN]

IMO, guilty of poor judgment but not guilty of using his firearm.

[Shoot th3 moon]

I don’t think I could take a life over a parking spot unless my life was on the line.

[knockonit]

I don’t think I could take a life over a parking spot unless my life was on the line.

And then again, how does one know this guys frame of mind, I think the guy was gonna come in for a round house kick, till he saw the unit come out. the old guy is a victim, no way around that, and if he feared for his life, which a round house kick surely would have created a life threatening issue on some, then so be it.

The ole guy was only being verbal, nothing physical till jr. showed up with the line backer shove, he escalated it to extreme violence, and got what the reaction was.

I"d shot him more than once , shoot till there is no more threat, i'm old, reactions are slow, brain processes slower, hehe
Rj

[shooter444]

I don’t think I could take a life over a parking spot unless my life was on the line.

No one took a life over a parking spot.

You may want to review the video.

RJ, I looked at the video at least a half dozen times, because I also thought the attacker's body language suggested a follow up kick to the head, on old guy, before he could get off the ground.

Even if he wasn't re-positioning for a side kick to his head, I wouldn't put it past his lady to have been verbally egging him on to knock the old guy from his sitting position, into a flat out, on the ground knock out.

But, without an audio recording, I guess I'll never know.

[vtachrn]

I agree with Jack D, you shoot after being pushed, with the guy walking away, is a non issue, he was not standing his ground, he shot out of anger.

I agree, Bad shoot in my opinion. Guy was no longer a threat and was walking away not advancing. Shot was fired out of anger. But I can also see the panic and frustration.

When A-Holes/Idiots collide....

[Azsurplus79]

Hard to say with certainty without being there. From the video is seems the man who was killed was moving away before the gun was drawn. Personally I think the shooter fired out of anger, not out of fear. Also it appears that the shooter was the aggressor that lit the flame and started the situation in the first place.

[shooter444]

Parking illegally sparked the ember that lit mr. bad-ass's fire, just before having it extinguished.

No one,...NO ONE... knows the pre-existing medical/physical condition of the shooter.

No one,... NO ONE... knows what level of threat the shooter felt after being blind sided to the ground by an obvious superior size attacker.

No one,...NO ONE... knows the physical, mental, visual, state of the shooter after being body slammed to the ground.

I sure would hate to have some of you fine 2nd amendment patriots, on my jury, if I was charged for shooting an attacker I thought was getting ready to finish me off.