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82echo wrote: ↑August 15th, 2018, 6:32 pm
I'm not a G&F employee, but I spend a lot of time out there and the asst Range Manager is a friend of mine so am pretty familiar with the operation and their interests. I would suggest that you (and others) take the time to communicate your concerns. I've seem changes out there based on customer feedback. I can pretty much guarantee your concerns will be forwarded to the BASF managers. Complaining on a shooting forum won't help much.
You make a great point, if they don't know what they can improve upon, they can't make changes.
It goes along with ANY industry in life. You can't improve customer service if you don't know what's broke.
Keep in mind I don't know the history and politics of the control of this range, I'm just mildly interested in doing IDPA there....Strictly for the idea of operating a firearm under stress.
82echo wrote: ↑August 14th, 2018, 6:44 pm
I get that a large public range like BA is not for everyone; don't like it, don't go.
I understand your comment but a large public range isn't large and it isn't public if only 10% is open to the public.
You said, they are attempting to gauge interest. They knew the interest when they took the range over because they had the history of sign in sheets from County and they knew the oprating cost of the range. They chose to close the specialty ranges so the moeny could be better spent on their shiny new office building. Now they might give the specialty ranges back to the public, how many years later?
I didn't word my comment very well. When I stated large public range, I was only referring to the main range. Still, you have a very good point. I believe they have 23 ranges, is sad that only a couple are open to the public. I find the comments about how the county ran the facility interesting, but that was over 20 yrs ago.
I'm not a G&F employee, but I spend a lot of time out there and the asst Range Manager is a friend of mine so am pretty familiar with the operation and their interests. I would suggest that you (and others) take the time to communicate your concerns. I've seem changes out there based on customer feedback. I can pretty much guarantee your concerns will be forwarded to the BASF managers. Complaining on a shooting forum won't help much.
Thanks for the email address. I will shoot my comments in one more time. I mentioned the other ranges several times to rangemasters when AZGF took over. Crickets and they had the MCC sign in sheets then, so they knew usage. I mentioned it a couple times since then and was given the join a club speech. Now I only go there when it is an absolute need or for the outdoor show.
I will shoot one more comment in with little hope of seeing anything change.
BTW if they ran it like any private business they would have their communications person looking at or monitoring local shooting forums. That is a no brainers, hell years ago companies offered "clipping services" to forward clipped articles about your product or related information, that is such an old-school idea it's idiotic not to monitor your customer base, unless they don't care.
So I got a response back from Ben Avery. I was told to find a group that has access, as there is no Public Access. Guess that means I'm right back where I started.
Well, crap. Guess I'll have to eat my comment about forwarding a suggestion. That sounds like a response from someone in the front office and not one of the range managers. I'll be back in Phx in a couple of weeks, will hook up with the asst range manager and find out what's going on. All in all, am disappointed in the response you got.
harleypower69 wrote: ↑August 15th, 2018, 9:51 am
We can thank insurance companies, risk managers and lawyers for this convoluted user group stuff and it sucks. Covering your ass adequately with liability insurance does not come cheap even if you can find an insurer willing to assume that risk.
Have not heard about inability to use pistol on silhouettes. That is just fugged up if accurate. I shot pistol silhouettes competition for years back in NH. Was that just one club or a global rule??
Unless something has changed the NRA provides affordable liability insurance for clubs that affiliate with them.
When I was the vice-prez of a local club in 29 Palms I believe a million dollar liability policy was costing us around $750 a year. Now that was over a decade ago so I understand inflation would have had some affect on that price now.
The Game&Fish Dept is a State Agency and insurance shouldn't be a factor for them.
