Anyone know Greystone Firearms? He has a suppressor I paid for..

[GunSmoke]

Btw, I do have reciepts with serial numbers, and pictures of the cans. Anyone else who purchased an Omega want to compare serial numbers and see if we all bought the same device?

[GunSmoke]

Neil, voice mail has been left. You've got my number, I'd appreciate a call back. If I don't hear from you by Tuesday I will be contacting PD, State Attorney General and ATF. Balls in your court, let's make this right man. As I said my voicemail, I'm willing to work with you, but you have to communicate.

[GunSmoke]

I received a call back from Neil this morning. He was friendly and professional, and extremely apologetic. Sounds like moving from a dealer to a manufacturer license has caused him a significant headache with his form 3s and the ATF. He sounds very stressed out, but stated he is focused on cleaning things up. He offered me a refund which I accepted, and he sent via Paypal. It will not clear for 3 to 5 business days, and I'll update this thread when it does.

Neil, I wish you luck buddy. Thank you again for the call.

[superdrag67]

I don't know the validity of all of pewpew's statement and don't really care but I hardly feel like anyone is "eating their own" here. If anyone wants to take up the task of refunding me and other people that join this thread and collecting the money from Neil yourself if you find him to be such a trustworthy individual, be my guest.

So far here is nothing but the FACTS:

Spoke to Neil after starting this thread. Said he spoke to ATF and there was no way to resolve things so I'd have to start the process over. Requested the can be F3'd elsewhere.

06/17: Spoke to Neil on phone and requested it be F3'd elsewhere.
06/18: Told Neil to hold off on the F3 as I'll likely be moving out of state and don't want to deal with the hassle so give me a day to think about what I wanted to do.
06/20: Neil reached out to me to see what my decision was. I was being indecisive as I really wanted the can so I hadn't made a decision yet, my fault.
06/21: Confirmed I wanted a refund and gave him my address.
06/22: Saw that someone on here was paid with paypal and said that would be fine also. No response.
06/25: Asked if he sent check out. Said it was sent over the weekend.
06/29: Check never showed. Guess it was lost in the mail.
06/30: Neil said he'd void the check and paypal me. Told him I'd double check and make sure there were no issues with my paypal account.
07/01: Verified it still worked and asked Neil about refund
07/02: Neil sent refund in the evening but it was $100 short. After sending him a screenshot of the receipt he sent the rest a few hours later.
07/09: Paypal e-checks were both declined by his bank.

So here we are. At this point Neil should be taking out cash advances on his credit card or doing whatever needs to be done to refund people as it's been well over a year for most of us that have paid for a product that we don't have in our possession. Not jerking people around acting like he is refunding the money when he either isn't or doesn't have the money to do so.

I'm not sure what the deal is Neil but if you absolutely don't have the money then I want the suppressor F3'd elsewhere and I'll sell it myself. But it needs to be done ASAP and I need verification that the F3 process has indeed been started. Most F3's are still clearing within a few days time. I'm tired of dealing with this.

[Quake_Guy]

Well no response to voicemail or text nearly two weeks ago (I was on vacation all of last week). I sent PM and email asking to pick up my Omega 9K which was approved last Dec or Jan with serial number ending in 86.

[GunSmoke]

For reference, the omega 300 I purchased from Neil ended in 44. My PayPal echeck is still pending, but based on the experience related above by superdrag, it does not sound likely to go through.

[GunSmoke]

Confirmed, my PayPal E-Check from Greystone was also declined by the bank.

[superdrag67]

I was able to get Neil to paypal me from a different address that was an instant transfer and not an e-check type thing. So things are wrapped up in my case.

I know there is still a handful or so of people out there that have yet to receive their refunds. I have to wonder how many others are in the same situation that just haven't found the threads or don't know they are in the situation yet. My advice is to pester Neil at least once a day somehow and keep posting in this thread. He doesn't seem to have any sense of urgency on his own for resolving things.

I've had a lot of things i wanted to say at the end of this but I won't rant. Best case scenario in all this (and I'm being generous) is that Neil is a liar and terrible at bookkeeping and running his business. Worse case, well...I'll let you come to your own conclusions based on this thread.

[GunSmoke]

Neil, I need payment resent. Your echeck was declined. I know you get my texts.

For anyone that has a copy of their form 4, the ATF investigator (email in the ARF thread) wants you to contact her. If you have an approved stamp, and don't have your product, she wants to talk to you, and offered to get it for you.

[GunSmoke]

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/NF ... 13-625191/

[TheRifleman]

Honestly it sucks to see this. I've used Neil several times for transfers and always found him to be responsive and easy to deal with. I did contact him a while back about an omega he had in an old ad on AZS and he told me he no longer had it, so I'll just consider myself lucky I'm not in the same position as some of you right now.

[fitzumwell]

So, I have been posting in ARF and was told about this thread and actual solutions happening so I want to add my comment for my experience with Neil. I purchased an Omega 300 from Neil on GunBroker in April. We were in communication at first and he was giving me progress reports until May 7th. He told me my forms were approved and my can was on its way to my FFL/SOT in Colorado Springs. I contacted my FFL and they had no record of any Form 3 being submitted or any transfer coming to them from Neil. I checked back every couple of days and continued to try to reach out to Neil. My FFL has no record still and Neil has not returned a single call, text or email that I have sent him since May 7th. That is zero communication from him for over 2 and a half months. During that time I have contacted the ATF to see if they had any record and they said they did not and that an investigator has actually been assigned because of numerous complaints lodged against Greystone. I spoke with the investigator personally and she confirmed that this has happened to several other people.

If he is in fact giving refunds, I would like to request mine! If you have no intention of sending me a can then at least give me my money back or give some sort of response to me. I feel like you owe me that since you do have quite a bit of my money.

[lew]

Wow, that's extra greasy. Good luck getting this resolved in your favor.

[Isnake]

Ok time to chime in here. I used Neil for a few transfers early this year and everything went well enough. I was looking for an Aero AR in 308 but every time I checked Aero's site it was out of stock. I noticed that Neil was on the FFL list for Aero so I gave him a call to see if it could be ordered through him and sure enough it could, and so the clusterfuck began. Neil offered to get me the AR at his price which I thought was really cool. I also wanted an ACOG and he offered to get it from Lipsey's, full service right? I thought so. According to Neil's Aero rep it would take no longer than a month, not a problem, I have wanted this set up forever and another month would be ok. I paid Neil on 4/20 of this year a grand total of $2,390 via bank card and the wait began. Days went by, a month went by, nothing yet. Neil was in constant communication and then I got the call, your ACOG is in! I went to Neil's that day after work and as Neil opened the boxes and no ACOG. Ok, s*** happens I guess right? another month rolls by and I'm getting nervous then I get the call that my stuff is all n, nice!. Days go by and somehow we just can't hook up. Numerous times are set up to pick up the rifle and somehow something always pops up . Kids bday, should be good to go after. It never happens. He gets rear ended in some drivethrough in Phoenix, he will call me when he is done at the accident scene. Call never comes. Finally I demand a refund for gear I'm quite sure was never at his house to begin with and was probably never ordered. He refunds me through square and it can take up to 14 days through square. I just had a bad feeling so I called Square (A real pain in the ass if you dont have a square account) and Square tells me the payment was declined. Neil of course is perplexed and asks how he can make it right. I tell him I can stop by and cash will work just fine. No response for days then I asked if paypal would work and he sends a Paypal E-check for $2,380....I'm assuming the payment is $10 light for the xfer of the imaginary gun he never ordered but I can live with that. The echeck hits paypal June 21 and clears June 27 and I immediately xfer the money to my checking account glad that I made it out of this one without s*** all over me. Not so fast, 2 days ago (July 25) I get a case update from Paypal and the echeck has been reversed a month later, my Paypal balance is now negative -$2380. I immediately text Neil with WTF is this bullshit? He calls, "Oh bro there was fraud on my Chase account, some dude in Delaware hacked my account", Ok, lets think about this, someone hacked his account and reversed my payment? Yeahhhh. got it. He conference calls me with Paypal on the other line (I guess it was Paypal but who knows) and all the paypal guy can say was as soon as your bank approves the transaction was fraudlent they will release the money to us and Mike's account will be balanced out. Neil offers to do a 3 way call with Chase but I hung up quite done with this. Normally your bank card protection ends at 60 days but since this happened Desert Financial said a case has been re-opened and turned over to their fraud division. I also have dumped every text and receipt and turned it over to our lawyer who advised us to wait one week at which point Neil will be served and sued Civil court. My lawyer said in no uncertain terms this was the classic definition of a shell game (It took a while at his office for us to go over all of the correspondence and receipts and dates). For all you Neil fanboys out there I'm sure at one point and time he was a stand up guy. It would appear he has some kind of issues now and is playing the shell game with supressors and any other money he can get his hands on including mine. Neal undoubtedly has the gift of gab and will shine you on as long as he can. Stay away people, stay away. Neil, your a piece of work man.

[TheRifleman]

I think I'd tell PayPal to shove their negative balance where the sun doesn't shine. Suing Neil at this point will be like trying to get milk from a rock. I think your lawyer's time is better spent working on PayPal to convince them Neil is using their system to perpetuate his fraud and your negative balance is a result of fraud. Let PayPal take the loss and try to get money back from that clown.