Liberty Safe finks out on customers with the feds
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Liberty Safe finks out on customers with the feds
So here's the story (in so far as I understand it),...Feds get a warrant AGAINST THE SUSPECT to search their property, including the contents of their Liberty safe. The feds contact Liberty Safe Company, mention they have a warrant to search this particular safe, and requests (not demand or compel by court order) that Liberty provide the access code to the digital combination lock to allow the feds to access the safe. Liberty complies willingly and without coercion, giving the feds the necessary codes.
Here is the moral dilemma: if the warrant were targeted at Liberty, compelling them to comply and provide the access codes, certainly no one would argue that Liberty was wrong to do so. HOWEVER,...the warrant in hand at the time of this request compelled ONLY the suspect or other residents perhaps living at the target premises. Liberty has/had no obligation to provide access codes to the safe of their customer,...and should Liberty even possess such codes after custody of the product transfers to the customer? Isn't that a liability rather than a feature?
While perhaps no one here has any reason to fear the feds executing a search warrant on their gun safe, this would seem to make a strong argument for NOT getting the electronic/digital combo dial systems, regardless of manufacturer. And there's no way I'm ever buying a Liberty product ever, that's for damned sure. The feds are certain to get into the gun safe one way or another, so one might say there is no point to resisting such a "request" by law enforcement. But the principle involved is always paramount. Authorities must ALWAYS be made to work anything and everything, and NEVER given an even break.
Here is the moral dilemma: if the warrant were targeted at Liberty, compelling them to comply and provide the access codes, certainly no one would argue that Liberty was wrong to do so. HOWEVER,...the warrant in hand at the time of this request compelled ONLY the suspect or other residents perhaps living at the target premises. Liberty has/had no obligation to provide access codes to the safe of their customer,...and should Liberty even possess such codes after custody of the product transfers to the customer? Isn't that a liability rather than a feature?
While perhaps no one here has any reason to fear the feds executing a search warrant on their gun safe, this would seem to make a strong argument for NOT getting the electronic/digital combo dial systems, regardless of manufacturer. And there's no way I'm ever buying a Liberty product ever, that's for damned sure. The feds are certain to get into the gun safe one way or another, so one might say there is no point to resisting such a "request" by law enforcement. But the principle involved is always paramount. Authorities must ALWAYS be made to work anything and everything, and NEVER given an even break.
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Re: Liberty Safe finks out on customers with the feds
Wow - I will be notifying Liberty of my thoughts on this for sure.
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Re: Liberty Safe finks out on customers with the feds
There is even a more rudimentary question, what credit card company told the FBI that he bought a liberty gun safe?
The FBI warrant doesn't seem to cover his financial transactions.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ywZUIId0kI0
The FBI warrant doesn't seem to cover his financial transactions.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ywZUIId0kI0
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Re: Liberty Safe finks out on customers with the feds
And oh yeah,...the suspect in this case is a January 6th political suspect.
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Re: Liberty Safe finks out on customers with the feds
Liberty - the Bud Light of gun safes.
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Re: Liberty Safe finks out on customers with the feds
That's what I told them, I was going to fill mine with Bud Light.

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Re: Liberty Safe finks out on customers with the feds
Just sent them an email.
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Re: Liberty Safe finks out on customers with the feds
Does "access code" mean the default combination set at the factory or is it a "master key" that allows the company and law enforcement back door access to the safe?
Wouldn't changing the combination after taking delivery be a good idea?
Not like they can't saw or cut the safe open anyway.
Wouldn't changing the combination after taking delivery be a good idea?
Not like they can't saw or cut the safe open anyway.