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But, he is literally a world class shooter, I'm glad I just teach him martial skills, and he teaches me the gun fu he knows. 
The frightening stories I could tell you all from my time at YCSO (the county down in the SW corner).
.WhiteDragon wrote: ↑March 11th, 2024, 5:50 am I've said before that about 70% of LE aren't shooters and maybe 10% or less do additional training to maintain and/or improve their skillset.
I've been in LE for 30 years, 28 as an instructor. My numbers are conservative at best and based on my own experience. Guarantee you if you made quals a choice for officers/agents, you'd never see 70% of them ever again. If your experience is different, whoopty-freakin-doo. I train people for a living and THIS is what I see on a daily.YNOTAZ wrote: ↑March 11th, 2024, 8:00 am.WhiteDragon wrote: ↑March 11th, 2024, 5:50 am I've said before that about 70% of LE aren't shooters and maybe 10% or less do additional training to maintain and/or improve their skillset.
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Before I left the job I did training of officers, not new recruits. That was a long time ago but I think your 70% and 10% are, bit exaggerated.
I shot with a couple cops for the state and they are there often and they run drills They can hit targets. I dont think most cops adopt the gun culture like us shooters do.kenpoprofessor wrote: ↑March 10th, 2024, 6:16 pm
Carlos can tell you much about how the BP shoot
Have a great, gun carryin', Kenpo day
Clyde
For clarity, I agree with you. You may have taken my comment as opposite, but my experience was much worse than yours.WhiteDragon wrote: ↑March 11th, 2024, 1:14 pm I've been in LE for 30 years, 28 as an instructor. My numbers are conservative at best and based on my own experience. Guarantee you if you made quals a choice for officers/agents, you'd never see 70% of them ever again. If your experience is different, whoopty-freakin-doo. I train people for a living and THIS is what I see on a daily.
Ah, gotcha. Yes, I agree and its sad... really sad. I equate it to would you go under the knife w a surgeon who doesn't practice his cuts and/or sutures? Why are we not extremely proficient w the life-saving tools of our profession??? Why are we so over-reliant on toys and gadgets (tazers, oc, etc) that tend to fail and we not practice H2H proficiency and basic fitness? Do we give a s*** about our what we do??? I'm old, my body is failing me but brother, I'm out there training and training as many as would want, but like you stated, it's a small percentage.YNOTAZ wrote: ↑March 12th, 2024, 8:22 amFor clarity, I agree with you. You may have taken my comment as opposite, but my experience was much worse than yours.WhiteDragon wrote: ↑March 11th, 2024, 1:14 pm I've been in LE for 30 years, 28 as an instructor. My numbers are conservative at best and based on my own experience. Guarantee you if you made quals a choice for officers/agents, you'd never see 70% of them ever again. If your experience is different, whoopty-freakin-doo. I train people for a living and THIS is what I see on a daily.
In my experience the 70% who aren't shooters should be closer to 80-85% and 10% who are capable shooters should be reduced to 5% or less. The only LEOs that could shoot worth a damn, in my experience, were on our competition pistol team. Not that we were great, we only took one county match and never a statewide match, but the other 4 guys were the only ones that practiced. The guys from other agencies had the same comments about their departments. Very few of those departments funded their shooting teams as part of their training programs.
You hear the saying: They put their lives on the line for us every day. Man, what a load of bullshiiitee. If they truly did, they'd be more proficient with their weapons and use of force. How many innocent citizens are shot by police each year? Hmm, I just checked, they give limited results.WhiteDragon wrote: ↑March 12th, 2024, 11:56 am Ah, gotcha. Yes, I agree and its sad... really sad. I equate it to would you go under the knife w a surgeon who doesn't practice his cuts and/or sutures? Why are we not extremely proficient w the life-saving tools of our profession??? Why are we so over-reliant on toys and gadgets (tazers, oc, etc) that tend to fail and we not practice H2H proficiency and basic fitness? Do we give a s*** about our what we do??? I'm old, my body is failing me but brother, I'm out there training and training as many as would want, but like you stated, it's a small percentage.
Anyway, we've strayed far enough... back to bashing Sigs.